4 yo vegan to carnivore

(Shadow Tippetts) #1

Hey there.
My wife children and I just came from veganism.
We jumped head first grass fed beef, wild fish, pastured eggs, raw milk, raw cheese, raw honey.
And that’s pretty much all we eat. No plants.
It’s been 2 weeks, our 4 year old screams so damn loud when trying to poop and her turds are exceptionally large.
What the hell do I do?
Seems simple, eat plants/fiber
But from what I understand, in the long run, this is not the answer.
Why would I put fiber in a system that isn’t designed to process it.

(Ashley) #2

You might want to check into dairy intolerance. My friends kid has the same issues when she eats cheese and milk. She’s been no dairy and no longer constipated.

(TJ Borden) #3

That was my thought too. Go easy on the cheese especially. Meat itself should cause very little… output, since its nearly all broken down and used. Also, that’s a pretty drastic change to make quickly, especially for a little one. It will take time to adjust. How long ago did you make the switch?

(Omar) #4

As a fast relief if I were you I would give her laxative.

then take her to normal diet but with no added sugars and limited starches.

then gradually( not cold turkey ) transition to carnivore.

I am afraid that insisting to stay on carnivore and the resulting constipation may hurt her little sensitive guts and the shock that her intestinal bugs received could take long time to recover.

(Sheri Knauer) #5

Poor thing. I second the fiber. It will take her system a while to adjust to such a sudden switch to a diet polar opposite to what she was having. The gut micro biome is totally different between eating only plant products to eating only animal products. I would suggest you get her a good probiotic (I like either this one https://www.gardenoflife.com/content/product/dr-formulated-probiotics-organic-kids/ or this one https://naturesplus.com/products/productdetail.php?productNumber=29969&category= ). I would also suggest next time you do a dietary change for her, transition her slowly, give her gut and micro biome time to adjust. As the fiber, I would suggest using Miralax. My daughter has digestive issues and her low carb/paleo friendly pediatrician suggested I give my daughter miralax every day to help keep things moving along. Just mix it into some milk or whatever your daughters favorite/preferred drink is.

(Allie) #6

If she’s been raised on a plant based diet then her micobiome will be set up to use the fibre so you’d be better off graduallly changing her over to carnivore if that’s what you think is best, but as I understand it the problems caused by veg are as a result of the microbiome not being able to use the fibre. She may be better off just on her old diet with extra fats and meat added in.

#7

Magnesium supplementation* is another quick fix while she’s adjusting if you want to go the route of sticking to carnivore (but I would second the dairy tolerance question… generally kids have an easier time with everything, but from what I gather one of the most effective transitions to carnivore is without dairy for a while, then observe the effects when you add it back in).

*mg citrate, I think? But there are people on here who can tell you for sure.

(Chris) #8

Adding fiber back in will surely delay adaptation and could prolong bowel issues. As others have suggested, dairy is likely the biggest culprit. Mag can help during this process.

(Shadow Tippetts) #9

Just two weeks.

(Bruce) #10

The magnesium you may want to add can be bought as Epsom Salts, although you will want to be careful as to the dosage. Some time ago I took far too much to relieve a concrete colon situation and ended up like a jet wash for two days! You have been warned.
Apologies for the graphic nature of my descriptions!

(Stephanie Durham) #11

Ugh. I’m probably going to get chewed out for this, but as a physician (MD & ND) I disagree with removing all plant matter from your child’s diet. Had your family been alive 8,000 years ago, & in an environment where edible plants grow, that kiddo would grow up munching on leaves throughout the day (& probably gorging on fruit in the summer). Dark, leafy greens are low carb and incredibly beneficial… And, to quote my mom, talking to childhood-me, “if you have stuck poopy, you haven’t eaten enough green vegetables.”

(Stephanie Durham) #12

Oh! And looking over your OP, I see honey listed. I would, 100%, rather see people eating low carb veggies than honey… especially growing people. Not that honey doesn’t have some wonderful medicinal properties.
One teaspoon of honey has 6gms of carbs. One cup of cooked kale has 5.

(Shadow Tippetts) #13

Hmm, I don’t think all these hybridized unnatural fruits would even be around unless we humans brought them forth. Blackberries and strawberries yes, but for all summer…no.
Kale and collards are full of stuff that just scr am don’t eat me… most likely because we bred them into their current state from something inedible.
And the honey…
Doesn’t honey stimulate growth hormones? I’d think it would be wonders for anyone looking to “grow”
To put unnatural greens we’ve bred into something remotely edible, on a high horse above honey seems strange.
That being said, I’d like you to continue please.
Why do you think these things. I’m genuinely curious.
Thank you for taking the time to reply.

(Stephanie Durham) #14

Whether these hybridized fruits and vegetables of today were around or not, there WERE edible fruits, roots, and leaves available to our ancestors.The forests, plains, and seas are full of foods and medicines. Seasonal foraging is part of how people have lived for thousands of years in many places of the world. If humans initially evolved in Africa, our ancestors survived for a long time on plants, then plants and animals and birds and fish. We’ve been seasonally-determined omnivores for an awfully long time.
The Great Basin tribes (whom we usually associate with diets heavy in game, bison, and salmon) wild-harvested lots of plant-based food, including camas root, from the land that was drowned beneath the flooded rivers behind the dams and buried by the monoculture of modern farming that “transformed” the “arid” land. The tribes traveled throughout the year for millennia, collecting/preserving/eating different foods, some of which are derived from plants.
When I think about the wisdom of different diets, I try to imagine how generations of humans ate, evolved, and thrived before we got to choose, rationally or irrationally, what we eat.

(Omar) #15

were the ancestors healthy?

is the wheat and milk then did not undergo any genetic mutation?

are there genes that help digest different nutrition that are not discovered yet?

what I am trying to say why do we have to compare ourselves to Lucy?

#16

This closely aligns with everything that I’ve come to think about food and human evolution (and that it comes from a doctor is so wonderful!). Yet somehow a lot of people are doing incredibly well on carnivore diets. Personally I’m curious about alternating periods of carnivore with periods with more plant foods, but I think that a lot of folks who try carnivore feel so good that they’re not inclined to re-introduce other things.

@Alpha, I’m sure she can answer for herself, but speaking as someone who often cites evolution for the basis of figuring out what we should eat: we’re not really comparing ourselves to Lucy or trying to re-enact an earlier time period; it’s more a question of using evolution and evolutionary patterns as a basis or starting point since our genes have hundreds of thousands of years (or millions in the case of many genes) expectation of certain patterns re: foods and food types, (as well as sleep, light exposure, movement, community, etc).

(Chris) #17

Ugh. I’m probably going to get chewed out for this, but as a physician (MD & ND)

This literally tells us nothing of your credentials. All I can seem to glean from your site is you do sell a lot of injectable therapies. Not saying that’s suspect, but people should know.

The only people who say this are those that have believed it all their life without trying it the other way.

Goodness, one whole gram more? Say it isn’t so! What’s the level of phytoxins in honey, I wonder?

Your argument about “8000 years ago” is pretty moot, too. No one but you brought up ancient man. We’re talking about 2018 here. And if you want to delve into what plants were available and didn’t kill you back then, well, just tell me how many god damned berries you dug up during the ice age.

(Shadow Tippetts) #18

Sure there were edible things around, but hardly and it would’ve been a pain in the ass to live off of and based your life around these sporadically available hardly edible foods…especially when there are thousands of tasty creatures to hunt that are 100% edible and delicious even in their raw living state, if not more so, depending on your taste. To me, it just seems as if plant foods are a very seasonal treat (berries) for successful hunters…
And it seems all these other plants foods came about from lazy unsuccessful hunters.
We aren’t ruminants…or root munchers… we have carnivore guts…not designed for fiber.
Sure medicinally, plants can help in some cases, just as dogs will chomp grass when not feeling well.
I just don’t see the point when we can get everything we need from animals.
But please, try and convince me otherwise. I’ve an open mind ripe for the ripping

(Chris) #19

How is your child doing?

(Shadow Tippetts) #20

I gave her magnesium from the store, shat like a cow. But hasn’t pooped since then. Been 3 days ;(
Still don’t know.