WW vs Keto (on WW website)

(Jenn) #21

Do you think WW will ever offer a Keto program? Probably not, but imagine how many more people would actually give it a chance with that kind of validity from a large company… some people just really like being told what to eat and the points system does help them.

#22

Not really. I only looked at a few of the supporting “references”. They are similar articles that make unsupported claims. They make the article look science-based, but it really isn’t.

For example, the article claims:

The cells in your body prefer to use glucose (sugars from the carbs you eat) as a source of energy[3]

That [3] footnote, which makes it seem so official, refers to an article that simply says (without citing any referenced studies:

Most cells prefer to use blood sugar, which comes from carbohydrates, as the body’s main source of energy.

If “preferred” is what is used first, wouldn’t alcohol be the preferred source? And, if glucose is the preferred energy source, why does the liver even bother making ketone bodies? It can create glucose or ketone bodies.

Five years ago, I could have referenced the carbohydrates page of the Iowa State University’s human sciences college for this:

“The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day. However, this level is recommended only to support the central nervous system, red blood cell production, and tissues dependent on glucose; it does not support any physical activity.”

Some web pages today still cite that little piece of dogma as fact.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #23

Not what she meant by “carefully written“.

(Michelle isaacson) #24

Exactly! That was the statement which resonated with me as well! If you eat too many carbs the weight will pile back on…Hmmmm:thinking:

(Jane) #25

Yes, I know there were inaccuracies.

I should have been more clear - it was carefully written to not slam keto or show in a very negative light, but throw out enough subtle half-truths to bolster their own (paid) program and dissuade people from trying keto.

They are a for-profit business and this is their paid advertising. Nothing to do with science and they are not under any obligations to be scientific.

(Jane) #26

Thanks from me, too @Momof5

I got to goal year 30 years ago (weight 126 I think) without too much effort but their program was a lot different then and restricted bread and carby veggies like peas, corn and potatoes. So - am a lifetime member so I never have to pay to rejoin.

But you couldn’t pay ME to ever go back. I kept it off for a few months but then I gained all the weight back with friends. I never had any success when they replaced exchnages with points because I used them all on carbs and then was hungry all the time.

I also remember my own unhealthy behaviors. Starving myself the day before or the day of weigh-in - even afraid to drink water!. Weighing my clothes and picking out the lightest shirts, flip-flops, etc I could find (this only works once, btw).

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #27

Me too.

But I lost with the point system. But then I moved across the planet and my very specific routines were disrupted. Keto, however, I can maintain wherever I lived.

(Jane) #28

:+1:

Although having travelled to China you definitely have more challenges than most. Both cultural and poor availability of some foods, ingredients and gadets we take for granted here.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #29

Yeah, But mainly that means focusing on real food. And I also live in a city with a substantial immigrant population, so lots of halal shops for cheese.

And my local friends may not understand, but they do respect the results, and that makes the social part easier.

(The crazy German guy) #30

The link presented is an advert. Nothing more or less.
WW realize that KETO is competition, and it’s free. Of course they’ll advertise their program and demote alternatives. Nothing unusual in business !?

Just ignore it, maybe?

(Murphy Kismet) #31

So they admit this weight loss is mostly water, but it’s only good if it happens “their” way. :roll_eyes:
So desperate. I laugh.

(Jane) #32

Another thing that changed from the old exchange program to their newer “flexible” plans (i.e. get more people to sign up and give them money) is the original plan at least had some time-restricted eating as in - 3 small meals a day with no snacks. Was much harder on a calorie-restricted program - hungry all day in between meals and never full. Took a lot more willpower than keto.

Their current program with their “free foods” could have you grazing all day long - bad for insulin levels.

(Randy) #33

Imagine how bloated I felt with that 170 lbs of water weight keto helped me shed.

(Susan) #34

This is fabulous, Randy, wow =).

(Randy) #35

Since the majority of their profits are from the processed foods they sell, they can’t really have a keto program. It would still be crappy, processed low carb junk.

They can’t really sell whole foods. There would be no perceived value over buying local.

(Randy) #36

Too bad according to WW, it’s all water weight. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

(Susan) #37

Hehehe =-). You weight loss is encouraging for someone like me that still has 120+ pounds to go. I have lost 49 since February and I will get there over time, for sure. I find it very motivating when I see people such as yourself that have lost large amounts on Keto, that is just great =-).

(Jane) #38

:rofl:

(Failed) #39

@KetoSnaps

They aren’t wrong, though. Same as when you stop hitting yourself in the head with a hammer-once you start again, you’re gonna bleed.

Edited to add: never mind, I see @PaulL already beat me to the analogy.

(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #40

You’re absolutely right! It’s the assumption of the ‘once…’ that really got my goat, though! Assuming that we would automatically suddenly overconsume carbs!