Preventative medicine is not the objective!
Treating the mile long laundry list of conditions that eventually chain react from the constant thick syrupy excessive glucose intake in the blood stream is!
Why are doctors so ill informed about Ketosis?
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#8
True, in the context of that article, it was listing negative aspects of the disease. My point was, but I failed to get to it, was that was the only context I could find Ketogenesis, a negative context.
“This disease causes metabolic acidosis, ketosis, vomiting, lethargy, mental retardation and death”
- Metabolic acidosis
- vomitin
- lethargy
- mental retardation
- death
All of those are undesirable, pretty much anytime. But Ketosis, being grouped with them, with no other context, not even an asterix or footnote, pretty much makes it a run of the mill bad guy.
LOL… just noting…
- “Since there is currently no cure for PA, this project is testing gene therapy to correct this disease using adenoviral and adeno-associated virus vectors. This project involves vector detargeting and re-targeting and stealthing the viruses from the immune system.”
Im sure nothing could possibly go wrong with ‘stealthing viruses from the immune system’.
Just sounds like the plot from a bad sci-fi.
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#9
Thank you. You help prove my point. They should have something like that up front, at the very least a link to it. I get aggravated all the time with medical advice such as…
- if you miss a dose of your medication, go ahead and take it as soon as you can. Unless its close to the time of the next dose, then just skip the missed dose and continue on
What gets me is the lack of a definition of “close to”. When is it close? Whats the minimum time of separation between doses? 10 min? 30 min? 1 hour? 4 hours? Maybe 50% of the time to the next dose? So 4 hours in the event of dosage every 8 hours? Obviously since the advice is to eventually just skip the dose if its too close to the next dose should just be, if you miss the timing of a dose, just skip it and begin schedule again with next dose.
[yeah, yeah, I know, ‘gee Bob, you in a mood or what?’ Answer is yep, taking care of the stepdaughters kids. Always gets me in a great mood. 
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#10
Thank you NuclearAstroRabbit, you took in in for the goal. Thanks for the assist. Thats where I was headed.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#11
Does her best ketonaut Charlton Heston impression!
( ( ( “Soylent Green (sugar) is people!” ) ) )
Who will win the epic battle of the sugarnauts vs. the ketonauts?
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#12
Our strength is as the strength of ten because our hearts are pure! (Our bodies, too!) 
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#13
Why the Ketonauts of course. We have Vogon poetry on our side!
See, see the Loving sky
Marvel at its big Olive drab depths.
Tell me, NuclearAstroRabbit, do you
Wonder why the Carb burner ignores you?
Why its foobly stare
makes you feel Full of ketonic energy.
I can tell you, it is
Worried by your Ketoman facial growth
That looks like
A Bacon
What’s more, it knows
Your felgergarb potting shed
Smells of Avocado .
Everything under the big Loving sky
Asks why, why do I even bother?
You only charm My dog.
Compliments of http://tonybaldwin.me/pages/vogon.php
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#15
Still waiting for that… it seems I keep getting passed by. Drowning, falling from cliff, electrocution, crushed between an aircraft generator and a pick up, plane crash, car vs tree, Diabetes, and ketogenesis. I must be tougher than I thought. I’ve never added all those up before.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#16
Angel with a black heart and a Hershey’s kiss!
The great library of glucose writes its books in the blood of those who lay dreaming!
Darkness in the screaming silence of night is shrouded in a cloud of sugary delights, once it captures your soul, it shortens your life!
roadrunner
#19
I am a health professional. I’m so done with current mainstream nutritional counseling and advise. I’ve been eating Paleo, not necessarily keto for the past 3 1/2 years and have never felt better. I’m a book worm, always reading research articles, now listening to podcasts and webinars about nutritional ketosis and all the benefits. I know the obesity epidemic is killing more people than nutritional ketosis, but there are so many health professionals still think nutritional ketosis is a “fad” and there is not much solid evidence around it (they obviously have not kept up with research). There have been deaths associated with epileptic children dying of sudden death due to Torsades de Pointe secondary to cardiomyopathy and a selenium deficiency. How do I convince these people there are more people dying of the current status of overeating of processed foods equating to heart disease, diabetes, cancers, autoimmune problems and chronic diseases.
Just venting!
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#20
You can’t, because they just want to take a pill, so as to be able to continue eating crap. If you do succeed in persuading people to change their eating habits, the insurance companies will love you, but the pill companies will hate you.
roadrunner
#21
So, I just came back from a conference on Primary Care. A nationally recognized cardiac surgeon spoke about the new PCSK9 drugs that lower cholesterol down to 0.3mmol/L. WOW! He had all these studies of people cholesterol lowering benefited and how lower is the way the go. It is scary as a health care professional when you have all these guidelines to follow and God forbid, if a heart attack happened and you were called out on your dietary advise of promoting a high fat diet, you’d probably lose your licence to practice. I also listened to the latest diabetes guidelines update, and the question was asked whether a low carb or keto diet was advisable. The speaker actually acknowledged that it was diet if it helps the patient to lose weight, get the HBA1C down and lowers the cholesterol, and it’s sustainable, then anything goes. Shocked the heck out of me. Otherwise, if people don’t want to change their ways, it’s pills, medications and insulin for them!! But that is the way of medicine, pharmacotherapy, surgery and radiation is the only mainstay of treatments. Changing things seems like a daunting task!! Go Dr. Jason Fung, Ivor Cummins, Dr. Gerber etc.!!
kib
(karen)
#22
Just got BC/BS’s latest diabetes pamphlet (my husband has T2D). As usual, the grave and sage advice is a diet including fruits, whole-grain carbs (1/4 of your dinner plate should be whole-grains and starches, I guess they feel your pancreas needs a good workout), fat free and low fat dairy, and advises cutting down on saturated fat. They also have a salad recipe with strawberries that includes a tablespoon of honey in the dressing just in case there weren’t enough carbs there already. This is from the people who have to pay out more money as more people develop diabetes. Follow the money? In this case, follow the morons is more like it. 1984 called, they want their diet advice back.
Oh, and maybe someone should send this link to Dr. Barry.
Kaiden
(Kaiden)
#23
Perhaps it varies by meter. Nova Max has it on the jar. Safe is 0.0 to 0.6, Elevated it 0.6 to 1.5. Call a doctor while you still can is 1.5 to 8.0. I tested as 1.1 last time I looked.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#24
Ancel Keys (“Mr. Cholesterol”) The dietician who promoted the virtues of the Mediterranean diet - Obituaries: “…As the identifier and promoter of the , Dr. Ancel Keys followed his own eating advice, even to the point of living part time in Italy. But shortly before his death at 100, when asked if he attributed his longevity to the diet Keys, ever the scientist, replied: “Very likely, but no proof.” …” “…He remained highly active, walking, swimming and continuing his research at home in Minneapolis, but suffered strokes and a broken hip in his final years. …”
Hmmm? “No proof?” Trying to wrap my head around that one? I would speculate that the reason for his longevity is from phyto-chemical-anti-oxidants?
Possibly not enough good fats in diet = no Vitamin K is absorbed and too many sugar carbs from grains (milling time-to-baking-time-to ingestion-time; germ goes rancid or oxidizes?), starches and maybe varying degrees of ingestion of refined or natural sugars and a shift away from whole-foods?
What Every Doctor Should Know About Ancel Key’s Experiments