Why are doctors so ill informed about Ketosis?


(Consensus is Politics) #1

I figured I should continue my comments from another thread here, as I was beginning to ramble on, on the subject. I didn’t want anyone to feel like I was piling on, which it was beginning to feel like I was by keeping it in the same topic. This is a separate topic and deserves it own thread.

Its no wonder that Ketosis has a bad name. Just the one sentence pretty much damns it.


(Consensus is Politics) #2

When searching for Ketones, Keto, Keto Diet, Ketogenesis, all I could find were articles for treating epilepsy, or as unwanted and dangerous conditions that needed urgent care.

Many of the articles went on to state if you check your blood for ketones, and the reading is high, you need immediate medical attention. Of course, my pet peave, they dont define what high is.


(Duncan Kerridge) #3

??? I don’t understand - ketosis in this condition is not desirable as the ketones accumulate in the blood unused as the body lacks an enzyme which allows the cells to use them for energy. Being in ketosis is not always a good thing.


(VLC.MD) #4

Wrong article ?


(Marie Dantoni) #5

I could be wrong ( but I don’t think so). Whether by design or not, the empirical health care model is functioning as a partner of the pharmaceutical industry. There is no profit in keto or fasting.


(Bunny) #6

Preventative medicine is not the objective!

Treating the mile long laundry list of conditions that eventually chain react from the constant thick syrupy excessive glucose intake in the blood stream is!


(Jennifer) #7

I can answer that one… :slight_smile:

ketones-millimolar


(Consensus is Politics) #8

True, in the context of that article, it was listing negative aspects of the disease. My point was, but I failed to get to it, was that was the only context I could find Ketogenesis, a negative context.

“This disease causes metabolic acidosis, ketosis, vomiting, lethargy, mental retardation and death”

  • Metabolic acidosis
  • vomitin
  • lethargy
  • mental retardation
  • death
    All of those are undesirable, pretty much anytime. But Ketosis, being grouped with them, with no other context, not even an asterix or footnote, pretty much makes it a run of the mill bad guy.

LOL… just noting…

  • “Since there is currently no cure for PA, this project is testing gene therapy to correct this disease using adenoviral and adeno-associated virus vectors. This project involves vector detargeting and re-targeting and stealthing the viruses from the immune system.”

Im sure nothing could possibly go wrong with ‘stealthing viruses from the immune system’.
Just sounds like the plot from a bad sci-fi.


(Consensus is Politics) #9

Thank you. You help prove my point. They should have something like that up front, at the very least a link to it. I get aggravated all the time with medical advice such as…

  • if you miss a dose of your medication, go ahead and take it as soon as you can. Unless its close to the time of the next dose, then just skip the missed dose and continue on

What gets me is the lack of a definition of “close to”. When is it close? Whats the minimum time of separation between doses? 10 min? 30 min? 1 hour? 4 hours? Maybe 50% of the time to the next dose? So 4 hours in the event of dosage every 8 hours? Obviously since the advice is to eventually just skip the dose if its too close to the next dose should just be, if you miss the timing of a dose, just skip it and begin schedule again with next dose.

[yeah, yeah, I know, ‘gee Bob, you in a mood or what?’ Answer is yep, taking care of the stepdaughters kids. Always gets me in a great mood. :roll_eyes::sunglasses:


(Consensus is Politics) #10

Thank you NuclearAstroRabbit, you took in in for the goal. Thanks for the assist. Thats where I was headed.


(Bunny) #11

Does her best ketonaut Charlton Heston impression!

( ( ( “Soylent Green (sugar) is people!” ) ) )

Who will win the epic battle of the sugarnauts vs. the ketonauts?


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #12

Our strength is as the strength of ten because our hearts are pure! (Our bodies, too!) :bacon:


(Consensus is Politics) #13

Why the Ketonauts of course. We have Vogon poetry on our side!

See, see the Loving sky
Marvel at its big Olive drab depths.
Tell me, NuclearAstroRabbit, do you
Wonder why the Carb burner ignores you?
Why its foobly stare
makes you feel Full of ketonic energy.
I can tell you, it is
Worried by your Ketoman facial growth
That looks like
A Bacon
What’s more, it knows
Your felgergarb potting shed
Smells of Avocado .
Everything under the big Loving sky
Asks why, why do I even bother?
You only charm My dog.

Compliments of http://tonybaldwin.me/pages/vogon.php


(Zack F) #14

You get ketoacidosis and you diiiieee!


(Consensus is Politics) #15

Still waiting for that… it seems I keep getting passed by. Drowning, falling from cliff, electrocution, crushed between an aircraft generator and a pick up, plane crash, car vs tree, Diabetes, and ketogenesis. I must be tougher than I thought. I’ve never added all those up before.


(Bunny) #16

Angel with a black heart and a Hershey’s kiss!

The great library of glucose writes its books in the blood of those who lay dreaming!

Darkness in the screaming silence of night is shrouded in a cloud of sugary delights, once it captures your soul, it shortens your life!


(Bunny) #17

Ketoacidosis comes from excessive sugar intake damage! Then you die!


(Consensus is Politics) #18

I like, almost haiku.


#19

I am a health professional. I’m so done with current mainstream nutritional counseling and advise. I’ve been eating Paleo, not necessarily keto for the past 3 1/2 years and have never felt better. I’m a book worm, always reading research articles, now listening to podcasts and webinars about nutritional ketosis and all the benefits. I know the obesity epidemic is killing more people than nutritional ketosis, but there are so many health professionals still think nutritional ketosis is a “fad” and there is not much solid evidence around it (they obviously have not kept up with research). There have been deaths associated with epileptic children dying of sudden death due to Torsades de Pointe secondary to cardiomyopathy and a selenium deficiency. How do I convince these people there are more people dying of the current status of overeating of processed foods equating to heart disease, diabetes, cancers, autoimmune problems and chronic diseases.
Just venting!


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #20

You can’t, because they just want to take a pill, so as to be able to continue eating crap. If you do succeed in persuading people to change their eating habits, the insurance companies will love you, but the pill companies will hate you.