It’s also a sign that your visceral fat has gone down. Visceral fat is the fat around and inside the organs in our belly, and it is considered particularly unhealthy because, especially inside the organs, it interferes with their proper functioning. The fat in your sub-cutaneous fat layer is what you are particularly noticing now, because your belly is no longer as distended underneath. Congratulations! This is good progress.
Why am I getting Jiggly?
MooBoom
(MooBoom)
#8
@atomicspacebunny I’d quite like to see some peer reviewed sources to back up those claims.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#9
Other than from my personal experience and the massive amount literature on the subject here are some links below that touch on that!
“Quite” interesting?
Lots of variables to consider:
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How big was your birthday suit when you started out?
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Are you lifting weights and exercising?
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Do you want to temporarily catabolize some of your birthday suit without lifting weights and exercising?
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Do I want to over-eat protein and ignore all of the above if I do not have excessive skin?
anon54735292
#10
It sounds as though you are restricting calories & protein on a daily basis but the blog post you linked here
Says as follows:
“You don’t need to be in a constant state of protein deprivation or caloric restriction to get results. In fact not only can consistently under-eating protein be detrimental to your health, but studies also show that the best outcomes happen when you eat a nutrient-rich diet infused with moderate fasts as described above. The way I translated all this complicated science into my lifestyle is to call some days “high” and others, “low.” A high day is when I eat normal whole foods – based diet and a low day is when I restrict protein intake and skip breakfast. I try to aim for three low days and 4 high days a week.”.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#11
…And yes what’s wrong that? Need more details to draw from, not sure what your point is?
It also states:
“…Dr. Ron Rosedale, in fact, suggests going even lower. In a fascinating LowCarb Vail talk (available on YouTube, and highly recommended), he said “Your health, and likely your lifespan, will be determined by the proportion of fat versus sugar you burn in your lifetime”. Remember that excess protein (see last weeks post) falls into the ‘burning sugar’ side of the equation. He also said in that talk, to a group of Low Carb aficionados that “today, it is perhaps more important to restrict protein than to restrict carbohydates“. Strong words, indeed. I tend to agree. …” - Dr. Jason Fung
anon54735292
#12
My point is in my post. You linked a blog post in your efforts to advocate for daily calorie & protein restriction that says you shouldn’t restrict calories & protein on a daily basis.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#13
Still can’t determine what your point is, you need to be more precise?
…Again what is wrong with that?
You have to tell me what I’m doing wrong?
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#15
Exactly, because you can’t answer your own question that you expect me to answer?
Let’s be clear on this I’m not restricting any calories and not purposely starving myself and eat when I’m hungry (that could be a day later or the next hour), I eat reasonable portions of each calorie less or more based on my body type and lean skeletal muscle volume. Amount of protein is based on lifting weights and exercise which is not very much more. You could also do protein cycling and achieve the same result with loose skin, it is just about your body type and how you choose to approach it?
MooBoom
(MooBoom)
#16
The paper seems to contradict itself with the excerpt @anon54735292 noted, and the one you noted @atomicspacebunny. I remain unconvinced by the claim that over eating protein causes cellulite and jiggly skin. I’m sure there are a vast multitude of complex reasons for both, and I’d be leery of saying otherwise.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#17
That’s protein you were eating before you started dieting along with junk food and while your in the process of trying to lose body fat you may want to catabolize some of it because it is stretched out skin from excessive adipose that stretches the skin and then replaces it with more skin not sure how that would not be convincing from a logical or scientific point of view? You build protein (skin tissue) from protein, if you don’t eat so much of it, your body eats itself or catabolize the extra skin; pretty straight forward and simple I would say.
PetaMarie
(squirrel-kissing paper tamer)
#18
When you pinched it before it was firm with fat under your skin. Now that some of that fat is gone you’re simply pinching loose skin. It will firm up eventually. Autophagy happens all of the time however the theory is that you can make it happen more with fasting and/or exercise. Protein isn’t the cause for loose skin, rapid weight loss is. Congratulations on how well you’re doing!
PetaMarie
(squirrel-kissing paper tamer)
#19
By this logic someone who ate a carnivore diet, super heavy on the protein, would be sprouting new skin out of their body all over the place. You don’t just add extra skin where you aren’t supposed to have skin by eating protein. Loose skin is the absence of the thing that was stretching it out (fat usually, sometimes huge muscles, sometimes a baby).
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#20
Sprouting new skin? Not possible you have to have something underneath the skin to stretch it out?
Eating excessive protein while dieting or rapid weight loss will not allow the body to catabolize it.
That is just a fact that cannot be changed, I really want to believe eating excessive protein has nothing to do with it (I love meat) but I can’t change reality no matter how bad I wish it to be true?
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#22
And here is a video by Dr. Berg about cellulite and discusses the jiggly thing you are talking about:
How to Lose Cellulite:
Dr. Berg talks about how to lose cellulite. Cellulite comes from 3 problems: (loose fascia, enlarged fat cells and atrophied muscle. FAT CELL The fat cell enlarges with fat due to higher levels of insulin. This is influenced by insulin resistance. Estrogen can also be a factor since estrogen increases the fat on your lower half of the body. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcEWT… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZDUo… 1. Reduce sugars and carbs 2. 3-6 ounces of protein with meals 3. Lots of greens 4. No msg in your foods 5. Do intermittent fasting (3-2 meals with no snacking) 6. Add fat to the meal to go longer between meals. MUSCLE If the muscles are atrophied, then cortisol is usually higher, Cortisol, a stress hormone from the adrenals can can increase due to menopausal changes. The person is now breaking down muscle tissue faster than it is building back up. The medical term is catabolic. This term means break down. Cortisol is a catabolic hormone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ujy… 1. Reduce environmental stress 2. Walking 45 minutes a day is helpful 3. Vitamin D helps lower cortisol 4. Nutrient-wise - take Adrenal & Cortisol Relief https://bit.ly/2P7eksc FASCIA This tissue is a type of collagen that is controlled by Growth Hormone (GH). GH is the anti-aging hormone that is responsible for keeping your proteins healthy and elastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQZA… 1. High intense interval training exercise. 2. Lots of sleep and higher quality sleep (may need Sleep Aid-https://bit.ly/2Ajl65O ) 3. Intermittent fasting 4. Vitamin D and sun
MooBoom
(MooBoom)
#23
When faced with multiple explanations for a phenomenon, Occams Razor is a helpful tool to employ i.e. the answer which requires the least speculation and assumption is often the correct one.
OP your experience is not abnormal, if anything it’s absolutely part of the normal process of losing weight. Given time and consistency, things will firm up. What I think we can all agree on is that you can probably speed that process up a bit with some fasting for autophagy if it really bothers you.