So today I was asked about my eating habits as I have now obviously lost a significant amount of weight. Whilst I was talking to this person I uttered the phrase “well in my community we believe”. Wait… what? When did you guys become my community???
The more I think about it, you all are really my community now.
Thanks everyone 
Group hug!
*For what it’s worth, I’ve been laboring to stop using the phrase “I believe” because, hell, this is science. Facts just are. I don’t need to believe in gravity to prevent myself from falling up into the sky. Keto can and does stand on its own.
Yeah I’ve changed to saying “The evidence shows …” instead of “I believe …”
I like it!
I’m also learning to carefully–veeeerrrry carefully–vett those I explain keto to. Most of the time an “Oh, really? What’s that?” is NOT an indication of an open mind, just a person being polite and looking to move the conversation along. Dropping a few bombs about my successes and then encouraging them to look into it if they’re interested discharges my responsibilities on the matter nicely and hooks them just enough to seek out Google the second they can get a moment alone with their phone.
I agree, those words are better. I think you need to choose the approach you take depending on the person.
Some people that comment like my clients get “yes, I’ve been losing weight, just by eating healthy”. This is not a situation where it’s appropriate to go any further, they are there to get their hearing tested and are generally in their 70’s and 80’s
Others are obviously more curious like friends and work colleagues. They will get a more in depth version, but usually by their respsonses you can tell they aren’t ready to go into a debate about science. These people usually will get something like ‘if you would like to know more I can email you some info’ or I direct them to diet dr and the podcasts.
1 guy from work went keto from my encouragement and he has now met his goal weight and we have supported each other over the last few months. He already knew a bit about keto and was ready to take action.
So I definitely think your words and approach depends on the person asking.
I had an experience last night I’d love to mull over this community. I went out to dinner with two very good friends. One has been a fish eating, gallbladder-less vegetarian for years. The other one started a “Blue Zone” cooking/lifestyle class in January. So, on Jan. 1 the former mostly healthy meat eater turned into a vegan. She was thrilled how she is feeling, how good the food is, and to find out that “carbs are good for us!” I was very quiet during all of this. I do not want to burst her bubble, but I can’t stop thinking about what she may be doing to her health in the long run if she sticks with it. And it’s not like I’m any great keto expert, unless reading everything I can get my hands on and listening to hours and hours of podcasts qualifies me – I’ve only been doing this since October. But I think about how much I care for these friends and what Carl & Richard say about paying it forward and I feel a bit like a coward. Any thoughts for me?
I am also no expert when it comes to discussion around keto. I have some knowledge but often don’t fully understand the science enough to get into a discussion with someone who has a totally different opinion.
Your situation is a tricky one. I have a couple of vegan friends, one which is currently dealing with cancer. I know that their lifestyle is not really helping them. Both have been vegan for a number of years and both are still overweight. I don’t talk about my lifestyle and WOE with them.
i can’t really offer you much advice on this, maybe some of the others can. @richard @carl @Brenda @tdseest @Daisy @Fiorella and others may be able to help
I only bring it up if my friend brings it up. I never try to Ketovangelize in a pre-emptive fashion. If they don’t bring it up, or ask, I don’t talk to them about it.
I am very aware of sounding too preachy and tend to take the lead from the person asking the questions.
I also didn’t mean to imply that you did. I actually thought you didn’t.
I was just conveying the message that I don’t have an answer for you, as I don’t typically take on the arguments myself.
Don’t feel like a coward. I too am a closet ketonian around people. They see me remove toppings off pizza to eat, and throw away the crust and all…but, I get around it by saying something like “can’t eat the crust, I will be bloated and up all night in pain”.
I don’t preach. What I do though is inject messages in my speech. When someone says they are vegan, I let them know I tried that too (not a lie, I did) and disclose how I felt and what damage it did to me. I don’t say it in a condecending manner. I say it softly and in an inquisitive voice. I let them speak, I listen to them, I don’t govern the conversation. Remarkably, they usually find themselves trapped, as I slowly bring them into a corner they paint themselves in…with contradictory statements that make no sense. But, then I back down, so they don’t get defensive. And because I know, when I’m not around, they are going to rethink what we discussed. And I just planted a seed.
Never say you can’t do something, always say you don’t do it. Makes it choice rather than chains. Also, never use symptoms to explain your actions, it puts you in one-down position. Come at 'em from a place of power.
“My body thrives on cheese and meat.”
Then, let your hot, healthy body be a visual aid. Oh, baby.
Sorry, I was actually just agreeing with you. I think people need to come to this WOE by themselves and all we can do is guide them if they ask.
“When the student is ready the teacher appears”. We can all be the teacher but only when the student is willing. Keto on and set an amazing example.
Maybe could use " more RECENT evidence shows" because someone will surely bring up the American Heart Association, Diabetes association ( whatever it’s called) & Ansel Keys…etc… and all their recommendations…
Nah, if someone is itching for an argument, they’ll have to get it scratched somewhere else. I’ve got purse bacon to replenish.
