What is it called?

#1

When you keto faithfully and then deliberately carb up for a few days? Doesn’t seem like a reasonable plan to me but I’d like to at least read what the proponents say. Substitute “unavoidably due to crazy travel plans” for deliberately and you have my keto style

(Ken) #2

If it doesn’t happen very often, it’s called “insignificant”.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #3

@Fracmeister it kind of depends on how fat adapted you are and what constitutes a carb up. Are we talking a pizza or just some hidden carbs that you will encounter in restaurants. Will you try to keep it keto or just put it on hold and go to town. If you do this for several days and aren’t fat adapted then you’ll have to start again with the pounds and water weight which come back as fast as they left usually. That means carb withdrawal and keto flu possibly again. If you’ve been at this a long time like @240lbfatloss then probably not as bad and quicker recovery time.

#4

Hmm… I thought there was a planned variance like this that some people espouse… Maybe not

#5

Did you mean ‘carb cycling’?

(John) #6

If you are a weightlifter, there is CKD (cyclical ketogenic diet). But what you are doing does not sound like that.

#7

That is exactly the name…Who is the major proponent of this? What is the logic? I am sure there has to be some theoretical reasoning

#8

I can’t help you with any of that :sweat_smile: I have ZERO interest in it I’m afraid!

(Karim Wassef) #9

Check out Thomas DeLauer on YouTube. He’s a cycling proponent.

It could make sense for lean bodybuilders, but if you’re over 20% bodyfat, I don’t see the benefit.

(less is more, more or less) #10

As with all things, the benefits depends on a myriad of factors greater than a single model can accommodate. My body won’t tolerate increased carbs, but my daughter does fantastic with her “cycling” which means someone brought pizza and she wants to “join the fray.” She is generally, but not rigidly, low-carb. It hasn’t been a negative towards her sustained weight loss.

This podcast also talks about cycling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llbSc1ctLIU I lack the motivation to go further with it, but Stephanie Kennedy is a proponent of it and may provide you with better guidance.

(Carolyn aka stokies) #11

I affectionaltely call it planned deviations. Some call it carb cycling if they do it with aany intention or frequency maybe? Ymmv.

(Karim Wassef) #12

The research I’ve seen focused on a couple of key definitions of what constitutes successful carb cycling for athletes:

  1. Macro isolation: when you eat carbs, don’t include additional fat or protein. Just carbs and preferably starch based (limiting additional fructose, dextrose, or sucrose).

  2. Not processed starch: it needs to be natural whole starch food.

  3. High micro-nutritional value: green veggies and vitamin rich starches: yams + spinach for example… no butter or added fats).

So this isn’t “cheating”. It’s a highly structured macro switch to illicit a metabolic change that further amplifies the benefits of going back to keto after. Not exactly “fun” carbs.

(Ken) #13

The protocols for both CKD and TKD are fairly defined. They are both fairly structured, in both a macronutrient sense as well as a CICO caloric limit as well. CKD requires a large 36 hour carbohydrate intake for glycogen recompensation each week.

Both are designed for fat loss and muscle preservation in athletes who are actively training. Neither claim to be able to build muscle and lose fat at the same time. Those not activly training can have periodic carb intake for metabolic purposes at much lower caloric amounts, no need for complete glycogen recompensation. Eating carbs a couple of days per week usually does it.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #14

I call it making myself sick. YMMV.