What amount of Carbs the USDA says you should consume


#81

It’s the same for us. Well, an average marriage is way less to me than my commitment, it’s for life. We could get married but it’s just a paper to me and I skipped it.
And it doesn’t matter anyway, maybe even 2 friends living together would be a tad similar: acceptance of the other person is very important even if it makes cooking for two more difficult. The same for someone living with their not small kid.
And I doubt a vow has anything about sacrificing ourself for the other… Standing by them, fine but giving up our very personal needs…? Sounds wrong, if there are such vows, I don’t want them.
And actual marriages… People often don’t even love and respect each other, well that’s bad.

I see absolutely no addiction here, in general. A high-carb diet may be perfect for someone, without any problem… If someone has a harmful diet or other habit, yes, it’s understandable that its close family member tries to change it but it’s still up to the one in question as we probably almost all know…
I don’t resist temptation but even I should be strong enough to resist carbs if I don’t want to eat them… And I am selfish, it’s normal but it would be a horrible selfishness from me to demand that my poor SO be on a (for him) unpleasant, restrictive style of eating. I couldn’t do it anyway, people don’t work like that.
But it’s fine if you both are okay with that. My SO and me completely agree regarding this topic, we aren’t self-ruining addicts and respect and love each other. Our circumstances are surely different so other things work for us. Even so, I don’t fully understand you. If someone is a true, weak addict, it’s still unfair to expect the other the sacrifice their own life while they did nothing wrong. If it’s not a sacrifice for them? Fine, we did that too. If it’s a tiny bit of a sacrifice but the one is willing to help the other, fine. But if they need very different things, that’s bad. I would search for some other solution. Many people don’t eat the other person’s trigger food when they are around. It may work in many cases.


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #82

Yes, they’re called ruminants.


(Susan) #83

I love this Shinita, and your entire post. It is extremely selfish for a person to expect another to give up their way of eating for them.

I have been married for 30 years in May – my husband sometimes tries some of my Keto food (he knows that it is healthier then how he eats) but he does not care and does not want to change -and I have accepted that. He knows that if he ever wants to change and eat Keto, that is awesome to me, but I don’t push it on him at all (I did try to get him to try early on but not now). Him, my two daughters and grand daughter that live here all eat SAD --and I cook SAD for them and Keto for me – my husband sometimes eats part of my Keto supper, but when he does – he wants all his potatoes/rice/pasta and/or bread with it – and all his SAD snacks afterwards.

My house is full of SAD high carb foods --it is up to me to have the will power and intestinal fortitude and determination not to partake of that Carbage --not the rest of my family — no one should expect another person to give up their bad foods for you --if they want to give them up–they need to do it for themselves.


#84

Not only those, lots of other animals thrive on high-carb diets. Fruits are very popular but seeds too, it’s not just about leaves…
Humans are very special omnivores, the different individuals needs very different diets, it seems… Of course, people change too but I for one never could thrive on a low-fat diet while others couldn’t stand high-fat and others are very flexible. Carbs are similar. No matter what scientific articles say if some people only thrives on high-carb and they live healthy active lives like that. I don’t have any problem with them but it doesn’t matter if others do as they do whatever they want anyway, probably.


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #85

To be perfectly clear. I don’t care what anyone eats or doesn’t eat, nor why they do and don’t. Humans evolved to eat mostly meat and fat and only minimal, incidental carbs. That’s what grew our big brains and reduced our guts. You go against that at your own risk.


#86

I thought about you and your husband, actually but your case is different from ours too. My SO is very healthy and health-conscious so I don’t think he need a change - but either way, we can’t change others. We can advise them and that’s it. And unless there is a super serious case, we should handle with temptation. I am particularly bad with it sometimes (but part of the reason is that I handle some carbs just fine) but it’s still MY responsibility, I should handle it…
There are so many families with members on very different diets. It can be handled and it’s unrealistic to expect someone else to change their diets just because of us. We have our own mouth and we should be better than self-ruining… Triggers are everywhere though I admit, our home is special. Especially for me, I am here all the time, the nearest shops are very far away… But I am surrounded with extremely much carbs and sweets all the time since a decade. I don’t resist temptation so I learned avoid them and if I can’t, suffer the consequences, it’s my own fault only :smiley: It’s so good when we have the power to do things right, we aren’t puppets (or just puppets of our own desires but they can be changed. sometimes it’s hard and slow and almost impossible though), it’s up to us. It’s okay to be considerate, helpful to each other, we have that in this household. My favorite carby things (there are less and less) aren’t on the menu when I do keto because my SO is fine without them and I like to make my life easier. But I cook and bake carbs all the time because it’s needed, it’s normal for someone who cooks for a family… There are people better at it, like vegans cooking meat… I didn’t touch meat when I was a vegetarian but no one expected it from me. And my diet seriously affects my cooking especially the part which we both eat. But as long as others are fine with it, why not? :slight_smile: But the main thing that different ways of eating shouldn’t come between family members. It never caused any problem with us, I just got stressed sometimes, making the same vegetarian food for a ketoer and a high-carber was a tad too challenging, no matter which of us made the cooking. But we did it and it could have been way harder or plain impossible, there was some common ground. And always will be. It would be a bit sad not eating the same ever but if that would be needed, that could work too.


(Bunny) #87

Really? :joy::joy::rofl::joy::joy::rofl::slightly_smiling_face::joy::rofl::joy::rofl: Really? REALLY?

That sounds more like advice if you want an early death? If you were correct it would be no wonder why some early humans had such short life-spans? (look maw no cavities :joy:)

Speaking of risk you would want to reduce protein and carbs, over-eating protein is just as bad if not worse than over-eating carbohydrates. Eeeek!

I find Dr. Rosedale closer to the truth than anyone on earth?

Dr. Ron Rosedale - 'The Critical Connection Between Protein, Cancer, Aging and TOR’

Amazing!


(Ron) #88

And where are you from? Since you find Dr. Rosedale closest to the truth then we must assume that you know exactly what that ultimate truth is. How fortunate you are Bunny! Amazing.


(bulkbiker) #89

Bikman every time Bun…


(Keto Koala 🐨) #90

@Shinita I 100% agree with you. Like it’s lovely if people want to get married and good for them, but it’s just words on a paper to me. You can TOTALLY live with someone and not be married. My grandma has been with a man for 40 years and they never married. :heart::heart:


(Bunny) #91

Bikman is a wishful thinker not at all scientific even if he thinks he’s a scientist his degree isn’t worth the paper it’s written on?

The man does not have an inkling clue about any thing really, he simply plays with mice?

You walk away absolutely clueless when listening to him because he has really nothing to say that remotely resembles reality?


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #92

That’s why there are essential amino acids and essential fatty acids. And… no essential carbhohydrates. Gluconeogenesis synthesizes all the picayune amount of glucose we require for the few cells without mitochondria, so there is zero need to eat it. You can deny this all you want to, Miss Bunny?, but your denial and strawmen won’t change the reality. Really.


(Keto Koala 🐨) #93

Not to offend, but there is a vast difference between and an SO and being married. One has made a commitment and the other has not. My wife and I stood before both man and God and made vows to each other. An SO reserves the right to dump you whenever and for whatever reason they want.

-T
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@ToddAndMargo Um, I’m usually a peacemaker but that was REALLY rude and uncalled for!!! Why would you say that to someone!!! Like even if your passionate on the subject, you don’t have to lash out at others. My goodness. I don’t agree with you. I’m happy for people that get married, it’s lovely. But people can be an SO and still have commitment. You don’t need a signed peice of paper for that!!! People can be married in their hearts and souls. I have even seen people married who are miserable and known people who have been together 30 years, never married and are happy as a pig in S#it. How could a comment like that not offend someone. It would offend me. Oh well. I guess my rants over. But also, you saying that it’s weak of a partner to have carbs and stuff around the house when the other is on Keto, what the heck!!! Hahaha :joy::joy:. As if. We choose to do Keto, they don’t. It’s a little thing called self control. It would be selfish to expect them to not eat what they want. My flatmate eats delivered pizza, fish and chips ect. Right beside me and I don’t care. It dosent bother me. Ok, I’ll shut up. :roll_eyes::thinking:


(bulkbiker) #94

i.e. he doesn’t agree with your extremist views I guess…


(Ian) #98

Bunny, what an astonishing thing to say. The only thing I can assume is that you can’t possibly be talking about Professor Ben Bikman at Brigham Young University.

He frequently publishes research papers, which are peer reviewed and is invited to speak at numerous conferences around the world. These are not attributes associated with someone who does not know what he is talking about.

His insights into insulin, carbohydrates and fats are very informative, clearly presented and even for a lay person just make a whole lot of intuitive common sense.

If eating too much animal protein shorten lifespan, many cultures, such as the Maasai, Inuit, Sami, and Nenets did not get the memo …

Regarding fasting, why is there this perception that the body starts to go on a rampage of protein consumption?. Does this really sound logical to people? In the absence of sufficient energy the body will look for an alternative source and would obviously use body fat, which is stored for this specific purpose. The body is designed to conserve protein, rather than consume it, so that vital organs and muscles are protected, allowing the organism to remain an efficient hunter to find the energy it needs.

Why on earth would a human body prioritize protein consumption over fat? I can understand a small initial reduction in lean muscle mass (particularly in carbohydrate centric individuals), as the body becomes fat adapted and as a result of cleaning out and recycling protein structures. However, this would not continue to any significant degree if a suitable repository of fat was available. Sure; after all the fat was burned off, then I could see a situation in which the body would consume protein. The conservation of protein over fat was clearly demonstrated by Angus Barbieri during his 392 day fast.


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #99

This thread is becoming problematic. Please be civil or I will close it. We can disagree without name calling.


(Todd Chester) #100

Well, I do have the added incentive of my feet falling off, etc… The heart thief has the incentive of being extremely protective of the ones she loves. When she found out what had happened to me, she threw out two trash bags full of high glycemic food like substances, including her favorite confections. She truly is blessing from God.


(Todd Chester) #101

A couple of things come to mind.

First off, fast and feat is the way our bodies are designed. Grok (my favorite cave man) did not eat three squares a day. And our bodies are not stupid. When we are fasting, our bodies go after the bad stuff first. This is why it is so good for our health.

Also, it does occurs to me that Bunny may be paid to write this stuff. Big Ag /Big Pharma / Big Medicine / Big Government make a lot of money off keeping us sick. It shocked me how bad the conflict of interest was when I first hit my GP with T2. Fortunately, the ER allopath was honest and competent and he gave me good information. And I do know of one lady that makes a living off of posting reviews.


(Todd Chester) #102

Shinita,

Historically, humans ate Keto, which is why Keto is also called the “Historically Human Appropriate Diet”. Every archaeological dig shows that we ate high fat and high protein. And yes we an omnivores,which is probably why we survived so long. What you are missing is that high glycemic foods were not available to us. We did that to ourselves by hybridizing plants for unnatural levels of carbs.

Now you are correct in a sense about fruit. But you are missing the schedule that this happened. It was once of twice a years. Now every day. Humans also ripped off bee hives, but then again, only once or twice a year. Then the laid around the trunk of the tree in sugar stupors for a day or two. But, again, NOT EVERY DAY. Also, high glycemic Franken Fruit did not exist until we hybridized them too.

This is why Keto is so forgiving. Fall off the wagon and get right back on.

Oh and the seeds other animals ate, were not the seeds of today and were of no interest to historical man (until he discovered beer and the hybridizing started). He would not have even bothered to stoop down an pick them.

-T


(Todd Chester) #103

Not to offend, but me thinks you protest too much. If it were the same, then you would have no issues whatsoever formalizing it. No? Well, because you are reserving the right to dump the other person whenever and for whatever reason you want. It is in no universe the same.