What amount of Carbs the USDA says you should consume

(Todd Chester) #21

Depends on what you mean by carbohydrate?

If your talking pure sugar, yes, but whole wheat bread no, if you cut out the refined sugar then you can eat the bread because your primary source of nutrition is coming from protein and fat which allows you to eat the bread; I’ve done it and it does in-fact work on a ketogenic diet.

Big mistake Bunny. “Healthy Carbs” are what injured me. It is total marking garbage. Wheat and bread have higher glycemic loads and indexes that do a bowl of table sugar. And the nutrition difference is between whole and white is negligible. Do the math. White rice and white flout have no nutrition. Brown rice and whole wheat have double that. Zero times two is still zero. And the glycemic load and index are virtually identical.

Wheat grass? Are you kidding. Grok (my favorite cave man) only ate grains if he accidentally picked up some seeds off a piece of meant he picked up off the ground. Grok would have not even extended the effort of stooping over to pick them. Grok did not eat grass. His/our digestive track is not that of a four chamber cow.

And as far as you fermented seed flour the bacteria is good for you and the fermenting process removes a lot of the toxins in wheat, but is DOES NOT lower the glycemic index or load. I will grant you that you have to ferment what yourself as sour double bread in the market is just white brad with vinegar added.

I will repeat, grains are not historically appropriate in a human diet.

In the future, yo need to go to http://nutritiondata.self.com or similar and check the Glycemic Load of what you are eating or your will NEVER kick the addiction to carbohydrates and will never get over the ill effect they have on you.

(Todd Chester) #22

I fortunately figure it out in less than 6 months. Drug free now for over seven years. My beat blood sugar this week was 77 mg/dL and worst was 111 mg/dL

(charlie3) #23

I don’t eat grains, seeds, nuts, fruit or starchy vegetables because I don’t need them for nutrition and tend to over eat them.

(Todd Chester) #24

I don’t eat grains, seeds, nuts, fruit or starchy vegetables because I don’t need them for nutrition and tend to over eat them

Go to nutritiondata.self.com and see the ones you can eat. Look first at the Glycemic Load and then the carb count. Macadamea nuts are wonderful. Cashews, on the other hand, are not. Blueberries in moderation are good, but banana, apples, oranges (and other franken fruit) are not. Avocados are a super food!

If you are T2 Diabetic, keep the load under 15 per day and the carbs under 15 grams per meal and 60 grams per day. 30 grams is even better. And please, no grains (except some chia for thickeners and digestive health).

And if in doubt, look it up at nutritiondata.self.com! After awhile, you will know them by heart.

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #25

Not to mention the natural insecticides that wheat and other grains contain. The ’ whole ’ grains ’ have a higher dose of these chemicals.

P.S.
The Problem with Plant Proteins: Grains, Beans, Nuts and Seeds

Excerpt:

There are hundreds of studies proclaiming the health benefits of eating whole grains, but the problem is that these studies compare diets rich in whole grains to diets rich in refined grains and sugars. These studies do show that whole grains are healthier for us than refined grains (flours), but they do not prove that whole grains are healthy. In order to prove that, you’d have to compare a diet that contains grains to a diet that contains no grains. Pretty much any whole food is healthier for us than refined carbohydrates, so proving that whole grains beat refined carbohydrates is . . . well . . . a piece of cake. When you think about it, it doesn’t make sense to say that whole grains are healthy but that powdered grains are dangerous . . . how can the same food be both incredibly good and incredibly evil?

(Todd Chester) #26

Ya, no fooling! Here is a historically appropriate way of using grains. Feed the stocks to livestock and the seeds to birds. Then eat the cows and chickens.

(charlie3) #27

I don’t keep binge-worthy food in the house.

(Todd Chester) #28

I don’t keep binge-worthy food in the house.

Here is the thing. You can binge on carbs but try that with fat (bacon) or salt. Your body will shut you down. If I eat too much meat, I can’t force another bite down!

(Ron) #29

I have no problem consuming 3 lbs of bacon in one sitting if I were to let myself. @ToddAndMargo , Not sure I buy the body shutting down thing.

(Doug) #30

:open_mouth: :sunglasses: So there’s a “Wow” for me. I’ve done over 1 lb. a few times but I start feeling “saturated” with it.

(Ron) #31

For some reason bacon doesn’t fill me up. I can eat a 2 pound beef steak and feel pretty full but bacon seems to lack that ability with me??? :astonished:

(Todd Chester) #32

Hi Ron,

Check the ingredients on your bacon. Does it contain sugar or any kind (dextrose, maltodextrin, honey, etc.). If is it sugar free, give it a test. Don’t forget the organic fried (in bacon fat of course) eggs! Life is good!

I find that range free beef fills me up a lot faster than stock yard beef: make up for the higher price

#33

I learned a few things in my life and one of them is that satiation is totally individual. Carbs are wonderfully filling for some (certain kinds are famous for being very satiating in general - it’s not true for many of us but surely it’s true for many), macros don’t matter a thing for others regarding satiation - or anything else, just calories (without extremes, at least) and of course, many of us just can’t find carbs filling (the type of carbs matter for most people, it’s about the same for me, they all make me hungrier). We aren’t alike regarding fat either, many people find fat in general satiating and many of us experience it very differently, the kind of fat matters a lot.
And some people are able to eat a ton using their most satiating food… Eating while nicely satiated is very easy for many of us too. But fatty pork (I only could buy smoked salted stuff this far) really “shuts me down” (if I don’t add carbs), I never tried to “force” that expensive but very tasty food though but I doubt I could eat a pound unless I am hungry and that’s my only food. But I don’t think it’s true for everyone. We people are way too different for that even though we have similar human bodies…

(Bunny) #34

If your eating too much of it? Doing math has to do with muscle to adipose ratio? When you have more fat than muscle, the less bread, rice you eat or you go longer without eating?

If the Okinawan’s can do so can I?

The real problem is how much you choose to eat of anything you eat, it does not matter if it is a carb, fat or protein.

I use to think like you but when you really buckle down and examine the science it becomes clear.

Over-eating any food is the #1 cause of all obesity, metabolic dysregulation, diabetes etc. and has nothing to do with a slow metabolism or genetic causes.

I see a lot of keto doctors demonstrating how to not eat so much and little about actual metabolic healing so the bottom line; with little tiny muscles you will be eating next to nothing for the rest of your life and doing things like fasting, caloric restriction making it worse by damaging the metabolism through time because no effort is placed on building muscle volume?

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #35

I really don’t understand the thing with white rice…
It’s like eating paste…

I used to eat a lot of it, but had to add a lot of stuff to it to make it " not rice "…

I don’t do the " cauliflower rice " thing either. I don’t want to pretend that I’m eating rice.

(Bunny) #36

I like to eat the real-thing and making do with what’s available by tweaking it with Keto science and not eating so much of it?

If I sit their and eat and eat and eat and not move a muscle (sedentary), then I’m over-filling my gas tank and all that gasoline (glucose) spills over into my blood stream and gets stored as fat, same thing with dietary fats?

Are you feeding your fat cells or are you feeding your muscles?

(Todd Chester) #37

Hi Bunny,

You are making several mistakes:

That only works if you eat two or fewer meal a day, food is scarce, you are involved in a lot of physical activity, and you do not graze between meals. Here is a great lecture on the anomaly:

If Rice Is So Bad, Why Are the Chinese So Thin?

To get fat requires two things: carbs and the fat hormone, also know as insulin. You can not get fat from fat. It is converted into keytones and you have between two and four hours to burn it off or you blow or pee it off.

This is not true. The consumption of unnatural high glycemic carbohydrates is what causes this. These things you blame on overeating did not occur before in any great numbers before the “up to the highest bidder” USDA came out with their food pyramid. The SAD (Standard American Diet) is what is to blame. Reverting back to a historical human appropriate diet (keto) will reverse all this.

Who Invented the Food Pyramid and Why You’d Be Crazy to Follow It:

Bunny, I fear you are making excuses for remaining addicted. It only takes about three weeks to go though withdrawal. Here is lecture on the phenomenon:

KETO Flu: Explanations & Strategies 2019

I lost a man I really cared about a few years ago to T2. He could or would not kick the addiction. First he lost one foot, then the other, then blew out his kidneys, his eyes were going, lost circulation in his arms. The second massive heart took him from us. When he found out I was T2 too, he told me how you could eat pie by overdosing on insulin. I still miss him.

You will be a crab ass for about three weeks, then you will get over it. Please, lets not lose you too. And if you have made commitment to those around you, you need to step up to the plate and be a man.

-T

(Todd Chester) #38

Old Dog,

Use riced cauliflower to make chili! Then you will understand!

-T

(Jane) #39

I agree - never liked rice unless fried and loaded up with protein and spices.

Now potatoes I love so have to be careful. I only planted a small patch of the Red Pontiac potatoes last year as a special treat. Most sprouted and never got eaten so I decided NO POTATOES in my garden this year. Except I have 4 plants that sprouted from potatoes I missed when digging them up last year (they can be sneaky!!) and overwintered and sprouted. In the bed I rotated to plant green beans in this year. I will let them grow and plant my green beans around them. 4 plants won’t produce so much to derail us :grin:

(Bunny) #40

Let’s do a break down on the fundamentals about “several mistakes” in quotes:

• “Oh my goodness look how low my blood glucose is when I only eat a little carbohydrates?”

• “Oh my goodness look how low my blood glucose is when I only eat protein?”

• “Oh my goodness look how low my blood glucose is when I only eat fat?”

My response:

Oh my goodness the biggest ‘mistake’ is how to eat if you are lazy (sedentary) and the science on how to do that?

The biggest ’mistake’ of all is ignoring lean muscle volume or physical fitness and focusing all our attention on fat cells and starving yourself to death so you burn up all your muscle volume in the process?

No matter what you do, you are not fooling Mother Nature by ignoring your muscles?