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(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #1

Was at the doctors earlier for my diabetes review blood test.

They have no Wi-fi, so I was keeping myself occupied by watching their information monitor.

This has made me so cross.


(Jack Bennett) #2

One out of five ain’t bad… :roll_eyes:


#3

My relative with diabetes read a book from some doctor that told her to eat mostly carbs. That’s even worse. It seems she listened to her doctor and pretty much stopped eating sugar but bread, I doubt anyone can talk her out of those. At least she eats lots of animal fat and meat and vegetables, less room for the worse things though it causes a borderline low-carb, high-fat diet. As she eats much, high-fat is a given but lowering carbs would be nice. No one has the power to make her to change that and probably most people with diabetes are like that.
The ones who would do much for their health (I would do nearly anything for that), hopefully are desperate/hopeful enough to do research and try things but it surely would make a difference if doctors would talk about low-carb (150-160g net carbs a day is considered low-carb in my country, it’s the upper limit but I consider it super high and it is for many people even if they don’t know about it).

I love my veggies and fruits but I am tired of the ā€œeat moreā€ advice myself (as we know, it’s an advice for everyone, healthy people too). The starches make me unwell so I am even more dislike that advice.
IF someone needs them, that’s different, but as a general advice… Maybe it’s really for the average one who can’t give up their carbs. Still, encouraging them to eat starches frequently… Sad.

And it’s so vague that ā€œeat moreā€. What if I eat 10 bananas and a few apples already? So many veggies and fruits that as a volume eater (I am not), I can’t even eat much more so my diet becomes very unbalanced and super carby? Not a perfectly average person reads these but individuals. Or it doesn’t matter, the more extreme cases aren’t important, they aren’t numerous?
Maybe I am into the individual cases too much but I always disliked when one single way was preached. I dislike when people want others to go keto/carnivore/vegan for life too, it’s wrong, we are different.
Reduce salt is especially bad for some people because it is essential unlike fruits, starches and well, even vegetables. Reduce salt is you eat way too much of it, it may be common but not everyone eats too much salt. Eat more veggies if you eat little and more would benefit you. If sugar isn’t so great for you, maybe lower your sweet fruit intake instead of eating more of it. Sugar is sugar even if it’s in fruit, it’s not even a different kind, it’s glucose, fructose, saccharose. Saturated fat doesn’t mean automatically bad. Oh my, I start to be cross myself if I continue and I know this world to some extent.


(hottie turned hag) #4

What in the holy hell…:hushed:

OK even if I knew nothing of keto, it’d be common sense that if one has diabetes, that lowering glucose via diet by limiting carb intake, would be simple conclusion to draw!


#5

I think we have to realize that common sense is now so uncommon as to be a super-power. :slightly_frowning_face:

The years have made me a cynic, I do believe…


(hottie turned hag) #6

BOOM :bomb:

#truth


(Murphy Kismet) #7

I like to say that Common Sense can only be found in a museum, hermetically sealed under a glass dome.


(Rebecca ) #8

Good grief, that make me want to laugh AND cry at the same time…keeping people sick makes money.:rofl::sob:


(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #9

As a type 1 on insulin since age 11 I never questioned what I was being told - eat xg carbohydrate x times a day and take x units of insulin.’

Never once did I think ā€˜hmmm, am I taking insulin because I’m eating carbs, or am I eating carbs because I’m taking insulin?

Sad but true.

Took me 29 years to put two and two together.

Now I’m nearly 45. The last couple of years I’ve had incredible control of my diabetes, thanks to dramatically reducing my carb intake.

How did it take me so long?

That sign at the doctors this morning made me feel very sad. Some good news though - my friend who was diagnosed with type 2 back in August with an HbA1c of 78mmol/mol told me today that it’s now 48mmol/mol (48 is the threshold for diabetes diagnosis in UK). One point lower and she’ll only be prediabetic!

How has she achieved this? KETO!


(Bob M) #10

How did you figure it out? Bernstein?


(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #11

How I figured it out was not through Bernstein, nor even connected with my diabetes, but the short story is that I had inadvertently gave my doctor cause for concern with my salt consumption 3 years ago.

It boiled down to ā€˜so you mean if I don’t have so much salt, then I won’t be drinking and peeing 10-13 litres per day?’

You know, a bit like:
ā€˜It hurts when I do this.’
ā€˜Don’t do that, then!’

It then wasn’t difficult to extrapolate this to the carbohydrate/insulin seesaw.

In my defence though, when you’re a kid and you’re made to inject stuff several times a day that you’re told could kill you, you listen very, very carefully to what you’re told, and you’re made to feel it’s not your place to question it. I mean, they’re the doctor and you’re the kid, right?

When a friend was doing the Harcombe diet 6 years ago, which was based largely around reducing carbs, we had a discussion about it. I said that I could never do that diet if I needed to lose weight, because I needed carbs because I was diabetic. Why did I think that? Because I had been told it my whole diabetic life.

It’s chilling, isn’t it?!


#12

my gosh that is horrible to the ultimate. the stupidity or whatever you want to call it of the medical profession is absolutely frightening to our health.

my mother in laws diabetes specialist is better than that. he said ya want a sausage, egg and cheese biscuit from fast food, get one…remove the biscuit :stuck_out_tongue: She won’t do it…lol…but at least the dr tells her more protein etc and no fruits and bread etc…….so I think he is one that tells them the truth but the patient sure has to want to hear it which she will not. ugh