Veggie Carbs


(A Knowles) #1

HELP! I am using the Lifesum- Ketogenic app and they are telling me I am high in carbs because of the veggie carbs. Am I to ignore those carbs? Everything I have read seems to point to yes, that we can do all the veggies we want. So, should I ignore these carb overage warnings since they are all from veggies?

Thanks for your help!


(Allie) #2

Are you tracking net carbs or total?


(Ethan) #3

How many veggies and what kinds are we talking here?


(A Knowles) #4

Well for lunch today, I pre-entered and I would like to do romaine, spinach, cucumber, oilves, roasted red pepper, with salami, pepperoni and provolone as an “italian salad” and it says I am 19G over on carbs.


(Allie) #5

How much of each? What does it show for fiber?


(Pete A) #6

Unfortunately it’s not all we want. Carbs need to be counted just the same, and add up! It may sound goofy but for me 1/8 to 1/4 cup a day is all I’ve afforded myself to keep carbs to a minimum. It’s amazing how satisfying and important the small portions can be!

Good luck.


(Ethan) #7

Everything there is great except the red peppers. They are not “impossible” to eat in the keto woe, but they are higher in carbs.


(A Knowles) #8

Thanks so much, Ethan! I will eliminate the red peppers for the time being, I am only 2 weeks in. Maybe later on!

Pete, this isn’t a HUGE portion I am allowing myself of each, about a 1/4 cup of each, I am mainly trying to eat up what is in my fridge before I shop this weekend.


(matt ) #9

The larger issue is that larger volumes of veg are going to make you full and you might end up with a big caloric deficit day to day This may be OK if you are using body fat for fuel but you didn’t mention if you are fat adapted.


#10

Unless someone is extremely metabolically deranged, it would take tremendous amounts of salad vegetables to effect ketosis. Red bell peppers have the same carbs as kale. Non starch veggies, especially when raw, are hard to over consume because they are low calorie and high in fiber. According to Dr. Berg, they help fix fatty liver. Many low carb gurus emphasize the importance of consuming vegetables in a LC diet.

Some people think if low carbs is good, no carbs is even better. From my experience, the effect of that small variations (ie. 30g vs 60g) in carbs have on my glucose and ketone levels is trivial compared to other factors (stress, exercise, sleep) that influence it on any given day.

I don’t believe in guessing about things that can be easily tested. How your body responds to various inputs can be tested with a glucometer. For example, test BG then eat a 500 calorie carb and fat meal consisting of a vegetable only salad with a fatty dressing and test BG an hour later. Compare this to a 500 calorie protein and fat meal consisting of meat only.


(Ethan) #11

Most of us with T2DM are extremely metabolically deranged. I can’t consume more than 30g of “net” carbs in a day, regardless of source. 60g a day causes extreme weight gain. The best thing to do, though, is to test and see–I agree. I agree that vegetables are probably good for us. I eat a lot of the salad ones, especially raw.


(Vincent Hall) #12

I eat a lot of salad and veg but generally keep my net carbs under 30 which works for me. I’ve been doing KETO for a year now so know what works for me.
You’ll have to work out what you maximum intake of carbs is once you’ve levelled out and using ketones. I know I can go as high as 50 net once a week, but it depends on physical activity for me, if I’m physically active next day 50 gram net carbs once a week is okay as long as I stay under 30 rest of week.

When I’m just doing a couple of cup of veg, cabbage, spinach, cauliflower, or other relatively low carb veg I find I’m around the low 2os net carbs. OMAD though.
everyone’s different, you do have to work out your own limits, but general rule is less than 20grm net carbs when transitioning into keto.
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