Ultra Processed Food UPF

(Mark Rhodes) #1

I ran across this vid and thought how well it correlates with our LCHF message of therapeutic carbohydrate reduction therapies. It has CHris Van Tulleken who has the ear of the UN and other agenices, which unfortunately, we do not. I think it is possible to ally ourselves with someone like this, who is not a zealot (he allows his daughter to eat UPF) I discussed it with Peter Ballerstedt and we both agree that aligning ourselves with the anti UPF folks is not a bad case scenario for us.

Chris points out how UPF have increased obesisty and disease. Now we here might saybut it is the carbs…but we also know how the carbohydrate is processed affects ow the insulin rises. SO I do see us as natural allies.

Here is the link, let me know whaty you think https://youtu.be/5QOTBreQaIk?si=ahndln3800-c4U1V

You can also find discussion of this in the forums as early as 2019: Ultra-processed food linked to early death

(KM) #2

I think it’s a great place to start.

My personal thought is that perhaps yes, it’s the carbs in toto that drive the insulin response that drive the metabolic disease(s), but it’s the commercial, hyper-speed hyper-intensity carb delivery system of processed foods that wreaks the worst havoc. Maybe if we can start there we can at least prevent people who aren’t already broken from falling apart.

(and I get it, he’s not really talking about carb content at all, he’s talking about additives. but removing the additives removes the palatability, reduces the amount you’ll eat, reduces the carbs. I have no problems with the idea of removing additives for their own sake either, it’s hard to imagine they serve a positive purpose.)

And I must say this video is making me SO pleased with my 95% single ingredient, whole food, non-processed diet!

(Mark Rhodes) #3

YES!!! It is a vehicle in which we can help those who oppose “keto” get on board about carb control of some sort…if not quality then frequency.

This is wha I say when Vegans asks me if I am so right why does their diet work? Because any move away from SAD will be beneficial. WHole 30, Paleo what not. I

(Joey) #4

Fully agree that most anything is healthier than SAD. But veganism also has another benefit… if you’re going to continue to fuel yourself on carbs (the high fiber, unrefined, unprocessed, low glycemic-index sort) while shunning animal fats, then assuming you’re getting sufficient protein (not easy without meat), avoiding those fats that would rarely, if ever, get metabolized for energy isn’t a bad thing.

Your mitochondria aren’t geared to utilize fat, so it’s a good thing to keep them reasonably low. They’re still essential in some measure, but the point of excess is far lower than if one is burning them as a primary energy source.

If you’re burning fat through carb-restriction, fats are extremely healthy. If you’re eating a high carb diet, it’s best to keep it low fat - since you won’t be utilizing the fat … you’ll be stashing it throughout your organs and other tissues for the starvation day that never comes.

Veganism: Not my preference, but better than SAD by any stretch.

#5

Of course we will… :smiley: It’s good fuel, no matter the carb intake, it gets used. Unless we overeat but that is a problem on low-carb too. Maybe a few people are messed up or have some insane carb intake that it’s worse but normally we just use the fat for fuel and for the zillion things fat is used for.

Vegans can eat tons of fat. Some do keto, IDK how and I saw photos :smiley: Some have a horrible diet so going back to SAD would be better. Many are just incompatible and they get sick after a while. So it depends on the person as well but there are all kinds of plant-based eating to begin with. When I did it (for 5 days, it’s not for me, I am in love with eggs and dairy), it was fatty, obviously. And low-carb but not keto. And it was the only time in my life when I managed adequate protein. It was high on every other diet and no efforts could change that.

Too easy even without meat if you ask me (I probably could pull it out on a plant-based diet and I apparently need high protein) but of course, tastes and eating abilities matter and we know many people don’t eat enough protein, no matter their diet. And yes, getting my protein is even easier with meat (to the point that I avoided meat in the beginning as my protein intake was already unnecessarily high, most probably and meat made it much worse. now I know how to eat meat without going too far).
There are so many meatless options. I still depend on my non-meat protein sources a lot. Just less than on vegetarian keto/low-carb (where I heavily depended on my plant protein sources too. my oily seed consumption was quite generous. now I would rather eat gluten. it’s not for everyone but some of us handle it well while the carby plants may be very obviously not okay right away. so that’s for my potential plant-based apocalypse. until then I will eat more meat and other animal protein sources and way less gluten).

(Joey) #6

@Shinita So carb-fueled vegans can also eat tons of fat (for all that good energy) with few worries about protein? One might think there’d be no malnourishment (nor starvation) in this world of ours. Problem solved. :thinking:

#7

No, I saw zero problem solved…
IDK what you want to say with this, honestly. Yes, vegans can get lots fat and protein from food, of course they can… It says close to nothing about nutrition… And personal needs. As far as I know, many vegans must quit as their diet, no matter how well they do it, doesn’t work for them, not even for a short time like a few years.
And HCHF may not be the right style for many, possibly most people. I just said the fat do get utilized because of course it does. Do you think people just get rapidly fattier on HCHF? :smiley: No, the fat is used for fuel and other things. If it’s in excess, it may result in fat gain but just because we eat carbs or fat, it doesn’t all just get stored of fat, this is a baffling myth to me. Well two, one for carbs, one for fat, I have read both.

And diets aren’t just the stereotypes in people’s mind, not even if that is the most common version. Not all vegans eat low-fat or low-protein, not everyone has problems to find and eat the protein rich plants… I merely wanted to share these basic facts.

(Joey) #8

Yes, I do. It comes down to what the mitochondria are doing.

If fed high carb, they will not have any need to uptake all that high fat. It gets stored in adipose tissue for the rainy day that never comes.

So yes, they get fatter and fatter.

Metabolic syndrome and obesity result.

More than half of the population of western societies are falling into these categories for a reason.