So how on earth do I persuade people, look at this comment
Sugar is a collective term for mono and disaccharides, these being glucose, fructose, lactose and maltose (amongst others). Glucose is the primary fuel for respiration in cells and for the brain, fructose is the sugar you find in a banana - but this is not good according to yourself?
What causes diabetes is insulin resistance, what causes insulin resitance is asking that cells in the body do a job which they are not designd to do.
LC diets hgh in animal products in the long term are non sustainable, unhealthy and lead to increases in heart disease, so yeah, I’d say that sugar as a plant based carb whether it be sugar or starch is a better alternative for a sustainable lifestyle.
help me everyone how the heck do I try and deal with people like that, he gets insulin resistance spot on then says all down to protein
HELPPPP
ps I don’t want to try and just send them links etc, that never works, I drop in names like Phinney, Lustig etc and they do not want to engage
It’s a short study & all the usual disclaimers but it shows that high carb diets increase intramyocelluar lipid deposition & IR & low carb diets don’t.
I took a look. Dangerous for diabetics, people becoming ill, yada, yada, yada. I think the best advice is to give keto info if asked, but know you can’t save the world. These sound like particularly ignorant and uninformed people. Trying to convince them of anything would be like trying to argue with a drunk. Reading through some of that raised the hair on my neck. I know you want to help, but perhaps you can find a more receptive audience? Or ask them for proof that salmon and broccoli is dangerous.
Well that’s the point I am not trying to educate them but the silent watchers whose heads could be turned and investigate for thenselves (as most of us did)?
But when you see the quote I posted then I want to scream but reply in a mature way backed by the science !
That’s a good point. Others will read that and may become interested. I get so mad that all this misinformation and vilification of keto is out there. I am at seven months so if anyone says anything I just tell them that my bloodwork has improved so much that I am not turning back.
Skepticism is healthy The more militant vegan’s have latched onto the intramyocellular lipid deposition thing as some kind of proof that the fat we eat goes directly to the organs & muscles so I try & knock that idea on the head, as best I can, whenever I spot it. Good luck!
ted I just found out, though I suspected it, is a vegan and I really need something to stop this lie about animals causing global warming … the WHO and UN have so much to answer for now …
which as we know is a total lie and all the glucose we need, we produce, but no matter what you say some will simply not accept it and that is real science … not fake
Glucose is not necessarly a bad thing. Some glucose is needed to run the brain. I think during ketosis, the brain still needs 30% of it’s fuel from glucose, the rest can run on ketones… Our livers can convert protein to glucose so our brains are always getting the fuels it needs. It’s also the preferred fuel in times of emergency, like when you are being chased by a rabid pitbull. But amazingly, we don’t even have to eat carbs to make glucose
The following things will put you at risk for insulin resistance:
Being overweight or obese
Smoking regularly
A waist measurement over 40 in for men and 35 in for women
Having cardiovascular disease
Exercising minimally
Having familial history of diabetes
Being of Hispanic, African-American, American Indian, Pacific Islander, or Asian American origin
Having high blood pressure of 140/90 mmHg or above
Landmark Study: Ketogenic Diet Impact on Insulin Levels
The first study assessing the direct impact of ketogenic diets on insulin resistance was conducted ten years ago in 2005. In it, researchers recruited 10 obese patients with type 2 diabetes and had them consume their normal diets for 1 full week. Then, the researchers provided them with a high-fat ketogenic diet for 2 weeks.
After the intervention, the 10 subjects experienced a mean energy intake decrease from 3111 kcal/day to 2164 kcal/day- representing a 30.4% decrease. This resulted in a weight-loss of 1.65 kg. More significantly, insulin sensitivity improved by approximately 75%- a dramatic increase. [5] Additionally, hemoglobin A1c levels decreased from 7.3% to 6.8%, mean triglyceride levels decreased by 35% and cholesterol decreased by 10%. [5]
Key Takeaways: A ketogenic diet may substantially increase insulin sensitivity in obese subjects with type 2 diabetes.
If LC diets are not sustainable then we would not be here today… Many hunter gatherers didn’t have the luxury of carbs, especially in the northern hemisphere where nothing grows during the cold season and they certainly didn’t have the luxury of eating regularly. Ketosis was the natural reaction to keep them going when food was scarce
The cultivation of crops like wheat, barley, peas and lentils didn’t happen til around 9500 BC. If humans have been around for 200,000 years what do you think they sustained themselves on until farming came around? It wasn’t predominantly carbs.
_ In 2011, Ströhle and Hahn (4) looked at the ratio of plants-to-animals in the diets of 229 hunter-gatherer and horticulturalist groups. They combined these observations with measurements of food composition from Australian Aboriginals diets. This enabled them to infer the carbohydrate content of a particular group’s diet. Tables 3 and 4 below contain their data see please dive into it. I summarize their major findings as follows:
A lower-carbohydrate, higher-fat diet is the most common sort of diet . Specifically, 16%-22% dietary carbohydrate is the most frequent (median and mode) macronutrient apportioning for 32.8% of groups. The 2nd most frequent is 29%-34% dietary carbohydrate for 27.9% of groups.
Where hunter-gatherer groups are located geographically strongly correlates with how much dietary carbohydrate they consume . Specifically, latitude intervals strongly correlate, although not linearly, with the percentage of carbohydrate in the diet. 11° to 40° North or South of the equator, dietary carbohydrate accounts for 30%-35% of calories on average whilst a sharp decrease to 20%-9% occurs from 41° to 60° above or below the equator.
Nearly 9 out of 10 of the diets of hunter-gatherer groups had less than a third of calories coming from carbohydrates . Specifically, “ most hunter-gatherer diets (approximately 85%) were characterized by a relatively low carbohydrate intake (<35% of the total energy), which reflected the high reliance on animal-based foods of most hunter-gatherer societies ”
In the last quarter of our evolutionary timeline we started living higher up on the globe and thus had to switch to an even lower-carbohydrate diet . I am choosing the timeline of anatomically modern humans arising approximately 200,000 years ago. So specifically, “ the switch to a low-carb diet (<25% of the total energy) seems to have taken place late in human evolution (ie, between 46 000 and 7 000 years ago) when our ancestors settled in higher latitude environments ”.
The authors made the assumption that “gathered food included only plant foods” which significantly overestimates the amount of carbohydrates in the diet given that non-plant foods includes “ the collection of small fauna (eg, invertebrates, insects, and eggs) ”._
You are essentially attacking their way of eating. It’s very unlikely that you will change their minds. They will revert to mantras that have been preached by institutions and agencies who base recommendations on (biased) research:
Too much salt is bad…
Low fat, high carb is best…
Vegetable oils are good for you…
Calories in, Calories out…
Move more, eat less…
This is all most people have known and it’s all they know how to do.
The more militant vegan’s have latched onto the intramyocellular lipid deposition thing as some kind of proof that the fat we eat goes directly to the organs & muscles so I try & knock that idea on the head, as best I can, whenever I spot it. Good luck!
All you can do is share yours & others knowledge & hope it cuts through somewhere for someone.
This is what it amounts to - mantras.