Meanwhile Alvaro was happy to find a big piece of vegetable on the floor next to a supermarket… He brought it home, of course, it’s precious food for free.
Our “no waste” is on another level now. We ate lots of thrown out food this far (it was very great fruit in a pile on grass, we have standards and pride).
10 times as much sounds excessive but maybe it’s different with guests… We know very well how much we need and can eat, we have cats and a fridge (even if space typically is a problem) so no chance to throw out food just because it’s too much. We simply don’t make too much ever. (We can’t. We just don’t have big enough pots for that, 8 liter is our biggest.)
Probably our whole thinking is different so we can’t even imagine to make too much food…
@Naghite: Never heard about that cut before
43 oz, oh my but we know you tend to have big meals
I will use this number when the next person gets shocked that I consider 21oz meat a nice amount for a substantial meal…
I am freezing after being 3 hours outside but we got 90 eggs. It’s not easy to get them nowadays, we had to wait… I hope it’s just the holiday but the greengrocery gets eggs once or now, seeing the demand twice a week and it runs out in a few hours…
Yesterday I went back to serious meat eating after so many lower-meat days where I didn’t even track… And overate protein (and got hungry again as my energy intake was too low). I shouldn’t so seriously base my day on leanish pork I forgot. It’s too new that I eat too lean, I had the opposite problem before (or no problem on good days).
I think using fattier meat would do good to my Scotch eggs and meatballs. Not like they aren’t easy to eat now, today is their last day, Alvaro eats them quite seriously compared to his usual meat eating speed. And I am me. Over a pound of normal pork for yesterday (and a sausage and some ham), pretty normal, my higher-meat days are like that and those got quite common in the last months.
But I try to be scarce until January, I planned non-carni experiments and other things… No mood for them right now though and I have my pork (just don’t forget the fat).
I think 43 ounces is my new record for one item. If you have not seen it, might want to check out The Great Outdoors movie where John Candys character eats an 96 ounce ribeye. The crowd moans when he is told he has to eat the fat as well, meanwhile you woulda started with the fat!
I tried to look up ribeye in the database I use to track… Now I am lost as I found many and one group has 3 times as much protein as fat and the other about the same. How fatty is ribeye? But according to my data and some photos I looked up, it definitely isn’t too fatty so the fat makes eating a lot of it easier to people like me… Despite the higher calorie density. I experienced that. Not in one sitting but see my 1000g meat days, it only happened with pork shoulder roast, I only eat half as much if I use a leanish cut with some cute fats - and I barely would eat from very lean meat, usually (texture, juicyness and flavor makes a big difference, it’s not easy to be tasty without fat but possible).
But 96 oz is just way too much, obviously. WAAAAAY too much. I can imagine eating 30 oz, it would take a special day to do it in one sitting but I have them - but that’s it. And I already would overeat protein… (And I am especially sensitive to that now, for good reasons.)
It sounds very wrong and probably gross to start with the fat, I doubt I will ever change. I eat the fat and the meat together at the right ratio, always! (It’s one thing I like some lean meats and some fatty meats… But my roasts should be in a range. A big range but I have my preference and that is pork chuck :D)
It’s not midnight yet but I am pretty sure that’s it for today. It went super well. Too well but I ate so much lately, I can pull off a low-cal day, right? Even adequate protein but it happened before, it’s just quite rare.
I ate at 16:20 first, scrambled eggs (3 eggs, my norm) with the nice though salty ham. I was hungry, I shouldn’t use such fancy noble stuff like that, next time I will enjoy it raw and not begin with it… But it was very very nice. And a bit salty, even with a little sour cream and that helps with such problems.
I had a little leftover roast too… And I got satiated Guesstimation says it was 700 kcal. But oh well, in the end I ate a lot yesterday and high protein too.
My satiation even lasted, I only ate 2.5 hours later because Alvaro ate and my body didn’t mind either. And it was already 6, I don’t like eating late, it just happens, too often at that, my mission is to avoid it.
I had a meatball, some eggs, more ham (yum) and a little dry sausage (yep, not flavorful, too smoky but still a proper sausage). I mean, not a small sausage, 18g of it, it’s dry sausage, I can’t eat much of it, I didn’t even have sponge cakes so I ate it with a boiled egg.
And now I feel very very fine. Oh I had several milky coffees as well. I am VERY good at using very little milk now. I fill a glass and try to use only that. It didn’t work completely but the glass is 35ml… It would be plenty for cream, I never want to drink that many coffees but I actually wanna quit, I forget sometimes… I will implement a no coffee policy for the first week of January.
But I need it. And it’s very easy if I am determined and know that I won’t drink coffee.
Only 262g meat for today, it happens sometimes. I messed up yesterday, I can’t expect a normal day. It’s a balancing day, I am pleased.
2MAD, wonderful.
Alvaro made a big moderately tasty carby meal again (spending hours outside but the open fire helps with the cold. it was so much worse when he cooked outside in hot weather). Not something I particularly like since I find it too sweet, that’s good, I needed a normal day already. I am fine with carby dishes I don’t like. It’s much worse when Alvaro mixes the too sweet veg (or just lots of vegs) with some fancy (to us) meat. I am torn there. There’s a dish, half beetroot, half ruminant meat. It’s cruel. But he likes it so I can’t tell him not to make it. I merely can control that he doesn’t make it when I am determined to do carnivore. Even then, it’s so wrong but I can’t miss the chance to eat such luxurious meat. And we rarely have enough beef or mutton to make that dish in a proper amount (Alvaro doesn’t like to use small amounts of ingredients especially if it needs a long cooking time) AND keep enough for me (I want a substantial amount too).
We burned a ton of wood from the garden (especially the Australian Bush that is not Australian at all but it has huge thorns and it’s evil. if we manage to cut it all - it doesn’t help that the top part leaned to the neighbour’s garden and it’s some super entangled mess. with thorns absolutely everywhere. huge ones. the thing has thorns on its thorns and I am not even joking…) and the fire was very pretty after sunset. He does that, cooks late and I need to realize the big pot has to be put into the fridge after midnight… And it can’t happen unless we use our otherwise useless big pan for water cooling and replace the water multiple times. A big pot full with hot dense soup, that cools slowly.
The house was full. Full of the aroma of venison Osso Bucco stewed in stock and red wine. A deep, rich, red wine. Sucking the warm marrow from the hollow of the bone was a flavourful dessert.
Next day the 3 egg omelette was a treat as I had seared the venison in a hot pan the previous evening and used the left over render as a base with added butter.
Last night I ate 3 lamb round shoulder chops with some pan fried sheep’s milk halloumi cheese. 2MAD.
Physical activity has been good. This higher protein way of eating gives strength to aching muscles to carry water buckets, push wheel barrows, dig sand and soil, and drag a trolley around. I climbed some stairs up from a beach walk with Billie the Labrador. Hardly raised a puff. But I remembered the same stairs and struggled like a vegan centenarian just in the past year with COVID polyarthritis. Currently in rebuilding mode, now the pain has gone (and I hope it has not gone to anybody else).
Summer is well and truly here. The downstairs part of the house, where my bedroom is, is blessedly cool compared to the rest of the house and outside. All doors and windows open, fan on, enjoying the light breeze that blows through my room at times. Lulu has never tried to get off the section but I’m keeping a close eye on her now her hormones are telling her she might like to find a mate. Thankfully, being a rottie, she’s almost always at my feet when I sit here at the computer.
Great list from @Alecmcq in his My Carnivore Adventure thread. I’ve been wondering about #2 a few times lately (Be as true to carnivore as you can, but don’t worry if you want to add a small amount of non-carnivore food to your plate. This is a quantity game. Small quantities of plant foods are OK as long as you don’t react badly to them). Wanting a little something on my meat sometimes, just to add a different taste. A very low carb sauce, like a bit of mint jelly with my lamb. I’m not sure I can though, I’m so much a slippery slope type person, but I do tire of the “heavy” taste of meat sometimes. I really must cook the prawns I bought ages ago to see if I like them.
I have 60kg of food for Lulu coming on the 11th of this month and am trying to eat my way through my freezer so I have enough room for it. It doesn’t help I just got 25ish kg of meat for myself! I shop like a “compulsive eater” or a “having a lot of food in my freezer gives comfort and makes me feel secure” type person. 60kg is an enormous amount of raw meat for one rottie pup! haha But it was a bit cheaper to buy 20kg of the 3 meats/mixes I ordered, than 10k of each so it felt sensible at the time.
I have CNN on the tv most of the time and am thinking of those of us who live the U.S. and are caught up in the extremely cold winter weather. How are you all doing?
It’s ok to have condiments if you can handle them like your mint sauce…or jelly but try to not have it loaded with sugar…
I sometimes will even have a bite of a keto desert or a mushroom in sauce but like once or twice a year…I did this one night when my husband came home this weekend with a keto desert but it didn’t drop me out of ketosis and I made him put it out in garage after a couple teaspoons… out of sight out of mind he finished it today I didn’t have any more but I can feel it would be a very slippery slope if I allowed it as a regular thing so I dont… and now no more in the house. Just took my blood sugar after a day of beef and egg salad blood sugar 72 ketones 5.8…might be slightly dehydrated the ketones seem a bit high…
I am also a very slippery slope person. I would try your condiment, only a little for taste and just see how ya do. I found I could eat some spice mix easily but I never could handle any ‘sugary’ added spice mix taste. When I did taste alot of sugar I dumped that addition very fast. I also would then wash off my meat before finishing it. So real fast I knew what little taste I could function on and what tastes I had to run fast away from easily, anything sugary tasting has to go for me.
Yea our cold storm that came thru took alot of states down with people in peril and some deaths to boot attributed to the extreme frigid. My area is on the rise in temps thanks heavens so we got thru but this old gal can’t handle a -2 in the mornings…brrr…I don’t even have clothes to handle that HA
I am must have meat in freezer compulsive shopper also feel ya on that. but thru the years I learned to curtail just a tad in that my older stuff has to be used but cause yea, darn freezer burn can get into many of our meats so I now put a small hold on me to eat thru the freezer a bit but darn when I see that great low sale price etc. on my meats, it is super hard not to buy it up
@FrankoBear
I do remember how much power, strength you lost with your issues thru your covid and vaccines etc. It was a tough read watching you tackle all that problem! Reading how you feel now was wonderful and super happy that vitality and energy is back. Tackling those stairs like a young’in and feeling great, very happy for ya!!
wow that does sound like one evil bush to tackle! thorns are just a nasty thing to deal. we got a few bushes and trees in our back woods in the pastures that I avoid too. one of my worst is the darn wild raspberry or something berry that can invade. smaller thorns but oh so many, the vines get so long and so thick and tough and when I try to remove I get tangled LOL getting stuck thru all my clothes and pant legs, I tell ya, they are a big pain. I am not a fan of those suckers for sure Your big old fire sounds so nice!!
@Naghite
isn’t Bavette also known as Flank Steak? I think for me on that cut I would just super hot sear both sides, cook a minute and eat very very rare. Cut thin slices across the grain to keep the tenderness? With the pressure cooker how was the texture of it? Chewy? never heard it cooked that way tho. just wondering on it.
------------SO AT the beach. after last hurricane they were forced to remodel alot of the campground thru destruction so it feels more ‘nice and new’ ya know. But still chilly but temps rising some so that should help.
food on travel day yesterday was tough. ate 2 sausage/egg/cheese biscuits at 9. of course dumping the biscuits. Then around 4 hubby dragged me out to eat cause he was starving. I wanted to just make burgers in the rv but he wasn’t having that so off we went to Japanese place. ugh. Stupid me got a 1/2 rack of ribs at the Japanese place that were horrible. no sauce, they come out with sauce LOL so back they go to get another plain one. their ‘dry rub’ on them tasted weirdo to me…some spice in the rub that I said hell no…I ate 2 ribs til I said I can’t eat these and they were small and fat less and dry. Hubby finished them. I ate 2 tempura shrimp ripping off the tempura and the shrimp had that oily taste.
I had my hubby rolling big ol’ eyes at me. I gotta say all I kinda moaned thru this food and place. I said lets go to a chop house…no I want something else he says…ugh…So I basically ate nothing and paid a friggin’ small fortune.
Came home and gave kiddo her take out food. I fired up my pan and made 2 big ol’ cheeseburger patties. OMG so darn great!!! So tasty, so calming, so delish, SO ME ya know! I was in total heaven with my 2 burgers. I love zc, and the simplicity I do so well on this plan.
I do have to watch how I tear apart food at restaurants cause I can truly ruin his meal easily. I tried 1/2 a fork taste of his fried rice and it was cold, sticky, thick and no flavor and I was like, omg don’t eat that crap and he was like, shut up please you are ruining my food for me and I thought, ok, I need to shut up now HA
but when I go to a joint that doesn’t suit carnivore well and I am not fed well I get a little mouthy on it all LOL yea me best pull that back some!
I am not being dragged out to breakfast. we got sausage he can eat and I am gonna hit the beach when the sun comes up and use my metal detector and see what I can score. Be nice if the hurricane dragged in some spanish gold off wrecked gold ships up onto the beach area yea wishful thinking but ya never know!
got burgers for later today for me. Not sure what family will do. Don’t care kinda. IF I AM dragged out to dinner tonight it will be at a steakhouse. There is no doubt about that to me. Or we stay in rv and eat the nice pork loins I brought to make. We shall see how the day goes.
hubby to surf fish later all day so if he is too tired to go out to eat then I might get away easy and just make the pork loins and call it a day on food. I ‘feel like’ family is gonna run me tough on eating on this trip LOL I don’t know why but that is how I feel cause with no swimming cause it is cold and not as much summer activity stuff to do I feel like they are gonna focus on eating…bleck…but again, will see how the next week goes.
@Fangs my understanding is Bavette is right beside the flank cuts and they are often confused. Texture is fall apart stringy like pulled pork. Very tasty despite the low fat content.
I recently joined Reddit for the first time and felt like you were everywhere in the zero carb forums. I can see where you got your starting philosophy. I had NO idea Kelly Hogan was beloved by anyone much less so many. Funny how I never liked her videos and that I am such an outlier. While I am accepted here, I certainly do not conform to the carnivore norms. I was hoping to find more nose to tail eaters with a scientific approach, but so far I have found none. You f course, the fact that I cannot start posts does not help.
@Naghite, ahhh, so it is near that flank area but not a flank cut. fall apart but stringy, no issue there, I can tackle that too Yummmm…kinda like pulled pork beef style, oh yea
Yea Reddit and me had a massive fight. the mods there would not let anyone ‘chat real truths’ ever about what it takes thru adaption and detox and more. I didn’t last long there.
I am not a huge Kelly fan to bow in any way but darn if the lady don’t put heart and soul into the zc lifestyle and get real info out with interviews with others. I feel like she has pushed zc out there. She paired well with Charles Washington but he left the forum and signed off on chatting zc anymore, he just lives it, his 20 yrs or so on this plan and he is out of the ‘chit chat’ on it but Kelly is keeping it all rolling.
I started zc with ZIOH which was CW and KH. ZIOH was truly finding real truths about what zc was and how to handle this lifestyle. I do have roots there which I actually do agree with
There aren’t ‘many’ nose to tail eaters. Not like your plates! You are one all in carnivore and I love that about ya. You actually are hitting nutrient levels and more of other organs etc that others won’t experience, me too in that fact. I just do ‘regular ol’ zc’ on cuts of meat and done deal. But for me I also find I don’t require more ya know. I don’t ‘feel lacking’ in any way at all. I feel wonderful so to me it seems my food choices are doing me proud and has that healing property I needed I think…but to each his own and their own experiences but if I felt ‘very lacking’ I would explore other meat intake.
I did liver pills for a while cause they were the rage in zc, yea right, ha, which kinda turned my guts against me a bit but saw ‘no real effect’ taking them and wow they were expensive but in the end, ‘taking the organic liver supps’ plugged by carnivore sites? yea I fell for it HAHA but not for long LOL
I am heading into year 6 carnivore now and yes I am seen out there chatting all kinda zc sites. But I hold with now only Strict Carnivore, ZIOH, ZCH and Carnivore UK. Plus our zc site here. I pulled back with the zc chit chat all over the internet cause most sites aren’t reputable at all with the truth of carnivore lifestyle. Not worth it.
Yesterday i took Raymond shopping at Morrisons and bought him lunch there then dropped him off and went to the company shop where i picked up 6 packs of approx 16 chicken thighs skin on… wait for it… 65p per pack! I gave Sian 2 packs plus some of the yogurts she eats (she can only eat these ones cause of her PCOS) and i kept 4 packs. I portion bagged them for the freezer last night and bagged 15 x 4 thighs which worked out at 12p a portion! Yay cant go far wrong with that eh … who says you cant afford to eat these days? They were big thighs too!
Sian had her house warming party yesterday and so i braved it and went along and spent 4 hours there … Sian made sure i realised i had surpassed her expectations and stayed that long! I had been reading my Power Thoughts by Joyce Meyer in the morning and was in the chapter on fear so i was all powered up ready to fight it. i sat chatting to peeps but there were a few young noisy shouty kids and when they had gone the chatting had got louder with all the wine that had been freely flowing so by the time i left my head was awful … the 2 areas of the cerebella were throbbing but as soon as i got in my car to drive home i could feel it easing. Very physical and i know i stayed just a bit too long, should have left when i could feel it building up. The pain had dissipated by the time i went to bed, which was about midnight … where did those lovely 8pm bed times disappear to!
Fo brunch at Morrisons i had 2 sausages, 2 fried eggs and rashers of bacon, very nice and Sian had put a buffet on last night. She is really thoughtful and had found bits for her friend’s daughter who has a milk allergy, had catered for any veggie people and made sure i knew there was meat plated up in the fridge if i wanted any. I had some cheese selection and a bit of deli meat which i am never really fussed over but i didnt have much because the plate of food kept sitting by my side waiting for me to eat as i was chatting. A bit later when i had got home i fancied something hot so cooked a couple of burgers from a pack of 6 i had bought from the company shop. They were okay, quite tasty.
Completed my 100 push ups. Only 3 days left of those though i might keep on with them as they are easy peasy now and not hard to fit in to my day. Doing them has definitely got rid of the wobbly bits on my arms that had suddenly appeared since i havent been CrossFitting as much
Up a bit later this morning, we have sunshine Yay very nice considering we had been forecast rain all week!
Brunch was 2 salmon fillets microwaved and a knob of my lovely french butter to eat with them. Nice, followed by a small portion of double gloucester cheese.
It’s my attitude too, I do try to avoid them as much as comfortably possible (I didn’t even try proper carnivore for a proper time yet…), don’t add anything when unneeded but sometimes it’s a bad deal for me to be super strict.
I plan to add tiny plant matter when I get bored but I do my best not to get bored using some spice (I always used variety) before I feel there will be a problem. It comes way too sudden. So to me, little plant matter is the method to avoid something way worse. But it may increase food joy too. Or simplify things, I do cook for a high-carber with different preferences and sometimes we share a very close to carnivore meal.
Never heard about mint jelly Sounds interesting.
It’s so strange to me that you there (NZ, AU) eat lamb with mint, it’s a very foreign concept here. We eat “everything” with paprika, obviously, potentially with sour cream as well. Mint is mostly used in drinks and desserts. But it sounds quite possibly nice, just strange for me growing up here.
I got a small bottle of (sugary) mint sauce from Australia… It lasts forever as I don’t really have any idea what to do with it (and it’s sweet anyway. ew. the sugar is another huge negative point, of course)… It is edible on some boring meat but I have so better ideas. But I liked the mint idea so I made my own mint vinegar I have mint in my garden and they are very lively. And I barely ever use them as what for? Mom never used any mint.
It makes perfect sense to me. Though I reached the “I can’t find or get out anything without a mess and things falling out of the freezer so I don’t want to put anything into it for a while” state today when I took out my big pork chuck slab…
But I would run out of meat in no time if I had that attitude for long… The local options are extremely limited sometimes.
Slippery slopes… My problem with them that I don’t see where there are. Sometimes I add a little extra and it’s good. Sometimes it’s even needed. And sometimes all hell breaks lose out of the blue though that’s mostly for December. I need a way more carnivore year to pull off a good December… This month is complicated. My whole attitude is wrong, to begin with. Compulsions are strongest this time but I will lose them eventually. I hope.
I never had that. Probably because my freezer is tiny so my meats aren’t in it for very long.
It is. We ignored the problem (it is out of view anyway) for long but then a wild fruit tree appeared there (well, it’s the kid of the big one next to it…) and it lacked sunshine due to the entangled mess that all the plants there made. So we got a noble mission but it will take a long time to finish it. Chainsaw is very much needed there. And patience. And we just have enough of thorns after a little while… Burning it takes time as well. But it will be done eventually. The little tree already appreciate the sunshine it gets now.
Due to the entanglement (oh big thorns are great at that, they grab everything nearby) we need to make lots of cuts and then pull the branch with almost all our strength. While grabbing it. And it has thorns almost everywhere… So we need to be careful while using almost all our strength, tricky But we will win. It doesn’t grow quickly, thankfully. We will celebrate when it will be gone.
Yeah I have many blackberries. Even the neighbour ones grow into my garden (the neighbour doesn’t live here yet and rarely comes. like, twice a year now)… The thorns are super painful if they properly catch me. I entertain the idea to cut most of them out since some time now… I am not even into the fruit. But Alvaro likes them.
My strawberries are adorable (and almost died out last year) with their tiny thorns… Except I strongly grabbed them once and had hundreds teeny-tiny thorns in my fingers for a week. It wasn’t fun, more like super itchy. And nothing got them out.
I have beautiful deep red thorny decorative plants too, they need to cut sometimes. And roses. Well they have huge flat thorns and I rarely go near them, never caused a problem.
WHY this garden have so many thorns I don’t know… My family only had black locust trees… I have them now too, well it’s outside, not in my garden except when it comes from the neighbour, I cut out a few every year.
The blackberry is the worst as it’s very thorny, very tricky, it hurts, some thorns break off and I need a tiny surgery or patience (I have little patience when there is a thorn deep in me but what can I do?) and it grows so quickly I need to handle it a lot (they even need an aid, don’t know the term, to climb on. of course it is reluctant to do that and fighting ensues. it’s never fun). And there is picking fruits but I may let Alvaro do it in the future. At least the fruits have no thorns though that might be for the best as we wouldn’t have those evil plants…
The fire is always quite nice (in the end, not the smoke attack beginning. it lacked that this time, no idea why but I was glad) but the fireplace starts to fall apart, it has cracks. I will build another one if I find some proper material.
Maybe I don’t understand with my long vegetarian and almost-vegetarian times, maybe I am too simple if it comes to meat but WHY people puts so much extra work and plants when it’s a fine meat to being with? And fine, people do that but why it’s the default, no matter what? Why not an option? (And of course, adding sugar is the point where I cringe. I rather fast. Unless it’s very tiny and I am very hungry without options.)
I am sorry to read that
I would go to the place I wanted (or if spending the time together is the important thing, I can relate, go there without hunger). But Alvaro is a cinnamon roll, I am a dragon/lion with strong views about their food so I get what I really want if we can afford it. But I am nice too and try to make things good for both of us. Fortunately we often have some common ground.
Well if it’s what he likes, why not?
The coldness sounds bad, the other is like Alvaro’s rice. I dislike handling it (but poor thing comes home starving, I want to reduce the time he needs to wait for his food if possible) because I need to CUT the thing, it’s one big mass when not fresh. He likes it. It’s almost tasteless, it’s boiled rice but he gets the taste from the better part of the meal. Rice is just to add calories, volume, make the food less fatty volume wise, something like that? I wonder if he is a volume eater sometimes. He doesn’t need super much, he eats way too fatty for that but still, he needs some.
My body merely needs the nutrients, a small very dense meal works fine. My mind often wants some enjoyable and not too short time with the food, dense may work or may not if it disappears quickly… And of course, carbs are pointless and just makes my eating more expensive. probably,. Still didn’t do tests and possibly never will? Though I am curious now that the satiating effect of carbs got better for me, apparently if I can tell it right. But I don’t have the willpower not to eat when I don’t need but can, at least in December (and carbs are still good at making epic overeating possible). So my controlled carbier experiments (tracking, no simple sugars, properly nutritious day) didn’t happen.
It’s fine, I rather wanted very low-carb non-carni experiments and didn’t do those either. Sigh. Well I have some days left…
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I asked Alvaro, he says he does need some volume. And vegs feel nothing so they don’t help. So when he tried to eat meat and vegs, he was starving while overate.
Now I want to experiment on him, just subtly as he needs his grains very much. But maybe less of it might work. Though he is sensitive to his ratios just like me (but it’s the fat ratio to me. I eat everything separately. dishes put together from 3 separated stuff always confused me and I ended up eating only 1-2… and then the third part alone… maybe that’s why I am used to eating nearly everything all alone. Alvaro can’t do that but he manages to finish the different parts of the food at the same time, almost no matter what).
Find some really nice metal, @Fangs! It would be nice even to hear about it
@Naghite: I wonder what reddit ZC forums (is it more than one now?) are like nowadays. Ages ago when I was there, they were scarce and talked about eating bones and rotten meat (wow. there is 1-2 such items here and there traditionally, be it fish in the North or pheasants here in older times but still, we are not equipped to act like vultures with our food) so I wasn’t around much… And the fasters were crazy, they were all for forcing big pain and other problems on themselves and fellow fasters… The diet related parts of Reddit didn’t make a good impact on me.
Maybe it’s better now but I waste too much time with food elsewhere, be it this forum or my kitchen.
IDK why people have problems with organs but yeah, they may be not so easy to find and some aren’t that tempting to many of us… I would try a lot but hard to get them unless I buy half a sheep (not like this option appeared at the beef farm in the last years and I rarely have place for that)… And I know I seriously dislike lungs. Extrapolating from the 1-2 bigger animal lung I ate As chicken organs are all fine. Usually meh but no bad taste or texture. Bigger animal lung texture is off-putting to me, at least without some nice flavor.
One totally should try things multiple times and the same part from different animals as they are very different. And even we change. My first beef liver was lovely. My second not so much, still edible but I was glad I hadn’t more.
Eating organs seem very normal and the logical, not wasteful thing to me (of course we typically don’t butcher/hunt our own animals and eat it all so it’s fine to choose whatever we like. I avoid chicken/rabbit breast and only buy pork I like)… And eating organs is very traditional here, plenty of popular, typical dishes have them.
But it probably would be hard to get some of the less typical ones you eat, @Naghite! And I am lazy. And fine with only some organs I easily get.
But some organs are so lovely, what not to like in them? In general, I understand some people don’t like any, it happens.
But I never heard about someone making a big plant of organs I just use them as part of my meal, I focus on normal meat, that’s the main thing. Organ meat is variety. As it’s harder to get most of them and I am not supposed to eat 500g liver every week, tongues need a lot of cooking compared to how quickly I could eat them… So I just use them in moderation and it’s great. I can’t imagine not eating organs and feeling good about it. Especially tongue, that’s awesome and very much normal meat-like. But better. It would be hard to choose between some nice pork chuck and tongue. Tongue probably would win due to its more exotic nature but I still wouldn’t want to use it all the time. It’s special. But maybe I will buy 4 pig’s tongue every time I see them… I could eat much, much more of them.
No, I am happy for you BUT I want such ones too! Even if chicken isn’t among my fav meats. Some thighs with spice is fine now and then.
I almost calculated how much is that in our money but no, it would just make me more envious
Chicken is below the pork I eat, sure but not by sooo much. It was different a year ago, there were great sales… Those thighs on sale cost 3 times more now.
You are a hero. I don’t even try anymore… Still didn’t resume my workouts and I am pretty much healed now (but I wasn’t before and I forgot anyway). It’s always hard to start when I stop. It wasn’t a huge break so I will go back to it, sure but it goes a bit slowly.
Some more energy would be nice.
I think Kelly has a very relatable journey for lots of people - and I think she’s particularly popular with some women because there were fewer younger prominent women a couple of years ago (compared to how many prominent men are in the carnivore space).
I can see why, from what I know of your story, you didn’t necessarily connect to her style - two very different paths and experiences.
Your nose to tail eating fascinates me. I felt absolutely no need to eat that way pre-illness; I quite like the taste of organ meats etc, but I didn’t really fancy eating them very often. But when I got sick, I craved organ meats.
I couldn’t seem to satisfy what I required from just food so I am supplementing at the moment whilst I recover.
I just saw a post yesterday from Mikhalia Peterson saying she at 5 yrs loin diet is now seeing low folate in her blood tests so is adding liver …but I think eating eggs would be just as good…
I jumped on scale and another pound down which I’m really happy about since hubby was home I just ate rib roast and egg salad and tiny taste of desert…
Maybe my appitite finally has kicked in and is working?? no weighing no measuring…
I too like some organs liver and heart and some others that I can buy from Spanish store near me but its not something I do regularly I haven’t eaten liver in awhile but I have got some for when it if I want…
Sorry your still recovering I think carnivore is the best thing you can be doing for you…I’d even try doing pkd style for a couple months it does have organ meats in it but its more medical strength ketogenic …
@Karen18
another pj day is never bad K
what kind of cheese do you basically eat most? I can’t eat any soft cheese, doesn’t set well in the guts but I can do hard aged. I just eat sharp cheddar mostly and a little reg. ol’ American sometimes but that kinda is my limit now.
thanks for the info on the steaks. interesting.
@Septimius
I hope you are doing alot better and things improving as you need!!!
I missed your posting alot more always enjoyed chatting with ya!!
@Shinita
oh the teeny tiny thorn hit. they are like furry sharp fiberglass needles. seem to take forever to get ‘out of ya’. I hate those too
@Azi, it sounds like you are changing how your body is asking for food now or ? whatever it is you kinda seemed to found a sweet spot for ya. Cool.
hey your hubby…is he like permanently out in Nevada still? was he in training for a new job position last I remember? or did I get that wrong LOL but super happy he got home to see you and the dog crew
-------------food went weirdo yesterday. woke around 5 am very hungry. I nuked 3 frozen sausage patties I made and brought on the trip. yum.
at 11 my metal detector pinpointer died. I can’t live without it. I got hubby to drive me to Bass Pro store to buy a new one and they had none. found a ‘metal detecting guy’ 1/2 hr down the road from there that sold them out of his house. ok, hmm…got there finally and bought a new pinpointer for my beach hunting. Then heading about it was around 12 or so then and hubby says he is starving…oh god, he wanted to stop so I saw a 'breakfast lunch local joint, Mamma Jeans that had all you can eat buffet and told hubby lets stop there. See he can eat all ya want if he likes the food offered and I can always order an omelet.
Yup. Fab local joint. He said his food was fab. I couldn’t touch anything on the menu buffet except some baked chicken and I wasn’t paying any price for baked chicken ya know HA but he ate well. Another draw was big ol’ fatty nice ribs, all smothered in sweet sugar bbq sauce so it was a no go for me. Fried chicken, nope. ugh.
I ordered 3 egg bacon cheese omelet with extra side bacon. WOW it was fantastic. just cooked well and bacon was delish and I ate fine. Hubby ate all his junk and was happy as a clam. figured I owed him to driving around the world to get a new pinpointer for me fast LOL
dinner for me since I was still kinda stuffed at that point was a beef stick and few slices salami I brought. I do have 1/2 a pork loin roast since I made bbq pork for kiddo but I just could not eat the other 1/2 of that pork. Body said no, you are not hungry enough to do it but this morning, woke up hungry again and yes, around 8 before I hit the beach detecting I am gonna pan fry up my 1/2 of that pork loin in slices and enjoy. What a breafast! Delish pork slices fried in butter with a tad of my no sugar seasoning on it that I like, oh yea can’t wait
Who knows how I will have to manuever food today? we shall see.
I forgot. It’s too new that I eat too lean, I had the opposite problem before (or no problem on good days).
Guesstimation says it was 700 kcal. But oh well, in the end I ate a lot yesterday and high protein too.
and the simplicity I do so well on this plan.
yea wishful thinking but ya never know!
i sat chatting to peeps but there were a few young noisy shouty kids and when they had gone the chatting had got louder with all the wine that had been freely flowing so by the time i left my head was awful … the 2 areas of the cerebella were throbbing but as soon as i got in my car to drive home i could feel it easing. Very physical and i know i stayed just a bit too long, should have left when i could feel it building up. The pain had dissipated by the time i went to bed, which was about midnight … where did those lovely 8pm bed times disappear to! 
I am sorry to read that 
how bad is that lol!
