Thoughts

(Robert Dockstader) #1

So I have been Keto focused for almost a month. As well as intermittent fasting 16/8 everyday.

Yesterday I had a “cheat day” with my partner which consisted of:

1 Martini
5 Vodka Seltzer
6 Raw Oyster with horseradish and mignonette sauce
Cobb salad with chicken extra avocado no bacon no dressing but put olive oil on it.

Then later that night I was starving… this is where I’m baffled. I ate curry chicken served with sautéed veggies in a fresh greek pita. It also came with tahini and hummus.

Then I ate a large bag of beef jerky

I tested my urine this morning and I am still in Ketosis which I am thankful for but I am at a loss as to how this is possible when I ate pita bread that was definitely white bread.

Thanks for your input.

(Lonnie Hedley) #2

Ketone production and use do not have a “switch”. Your body will use up available ketones before switching to using the glucose you ate. Processes in the body take time and are not instantaneous.

(Robert Dockstader) #3

So it’s possible I will fall out of ketosis?

(Running from stupidity) #4

Sure. And then you’ll go back in. Sorted.

#5

Interesting. I agree that the cheat day isn’t a catastrophic event, but I would have had a different explanation, sort of an opposite one. I would have surmised that the blood glucose rise that happens pretty quickly after eating something like pita bread would cause insulin to be released, thus prompting cells to preferentially (especially after less than a month on keto, but even otherwise) take up the glucose, leaving the previously produced ketones circulating in higher quantities and thus still showing up in urine.

(Robert Dockstader) #6

I have been testing urine all day and remained in ketosis. I will consider myself lucky. :smile:

Thanks for your thoughts

(TJ Borden) #7

First, don’t sweat it. This is a lifestyle.

Second, you need to work on your cheat skills. Most of that stuff was perfectly fine.

(Robert Dockstader) #8

Lol. After I typed it out I thought the same things. Believe me I had to talk myself out of ice cream and the candy that I know is in my other car. Today I am happy that I didn’t give into the sugar. I have a horrible sweet tooth.

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #9

Those ketones are being wasted through urine, you are not using them yet. They are not a good indication of actually being in ketosis. You are hungry because you ingested carbs and sugar, and your body needs to process that glucose before it’ll start ketone production again.

(Lonnie Hedley) #10

Whatever the correct explanation, ketones don’t just disappear when you eat carbs. I ate pizza, pasta, and breadsticks tonight. When I eat carbs, I eat a ton.

I tested BG and ketones (1.1) before I ate, but only tested BG again in intervals after. I expect my body to use the ketones (current preferred fuel source), before processing the glucose. My idea here is that I’ll feel fine tomorrow because I’ll still be using remaining ketones, but the next day I’ll feel like crap as my body/brain switches to using the glucose before going back to using ketones. DISCLAIMER N=1 self experimentation.

#11

I am less than 3 months in so no expert, but most of what you ate was fine. So you had a pita. In the great scheme of things, that’s not much. I would have kept the bacon and cheese on the salad, as both are keto-friendly. Definitely a good idea to avoid the ice cream and candy!

In my short experience going keto, I have had the occasional slip-up (a freshly baked cinnamon morning bun??). But I got back on the keto horse and continued on. And that’s what you need to do. Don’t sweat it if your meal wasn’t perfect. It’s hard to eat out and remain strictly keto. But as long as you think of keto as a way of eating and not a short-term diet, then you’re OK.

(Jake Liddell) #12

I agree. That cheat was rubbish! If you’re going to cheat, pitta is not what springs to mind!

(Robert Dockstader) #13

Thank you everyone! I love this group and I have only been a part of it for a few days. I feel great and was back on the next day. I was just having a moment but I going strong again. :smile:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #14

I don’t believe this is entirely accurate. The doctors and physiologists who seem know what they are talking about all describe a rise in serum glucose as a metabolic emergency that the body needs to deal with, sharpish, hence the speedy rise in insulin (to drive the glucose out of the bloodstream and into muscle and fat cells). Hyperglycemia can lead to coma and death, whereas hypoglycemia is not an issue for someone on a ketogenic diet, until the red blood cells start dying from lack of glucose–and even that is highly unlikely, given that the liver starts making glucose for them in the absence of dietary carbohydrate (gluconeogenesis). The good news is that once we are fat adapted, the switch back to lipolysis seems to happen more easily.