Building blocks and differences?
If any diet cuts down refined carbohydrates and processed foods and they are all achieving the same result then what is happening?
Are we pointing fingers at the wrong thing?
Are we all being biased with the type of diet because we are eating more or less of a particular calorie?
I would think any diet that subtracts or minimizes certain types of calories or foods are going to be achieving ketosis naturally?
The new PR and propaganda seems to be “empty calories” and “energy balance” and “lifestyle medicine”.
The big sugar pushers (Coca-Cola, Kellogg, etc) defend themselves with “well, yeah, sugar may be empty calories, but it’s safe if you have some of it in a ‘balanced diet’”.
That way they avoid taking responsibility for the disease burdens of CVD, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, etc, etc.
Would love to sketch out the shared building blocks.
Like the guy that didn’t eat sugar but has identified industrial seed oils as the instigator of metabolic disease. More so than refined carbohydrates. And definitely a lot more so than whole food carbohydrate rich foods.
So are seed oils.
For instance, used to love “fresh” anchovies, came in a plastic container in oil. When I finally looked at the label, what oil are they in? Sunflower oil (super high in PUFA).
Used to get olives from the local “high end” store. These also came in plastic packaging. What oil were the in? Soybean or canola oil.
These took me forever to find, because I simply and idealistically thought these would be in olive oil.
I’ve seen PUFAs in basically anything that’s prepared. Try to find a salad dressing or mayo without seed oils. (Can get Primal Kitchen varieties now, but be prepared for sticker shock.)
…lol hypothetically (not possible) even if you could find a way to never eat another PUFA again you would probably get sick and you would still get fat because dietary sugar is what dertmindes how bad your hydrogenated or non-hydrogenated PUFA will be.
As a matter of fact PUFA’s help your body absorb the fat soluble form of vitamin K-2 and if K is not absorbed all that calcium your eating sticks to your arteries and does not make it to your bones and teeth because a high sugar diet blocks K.
@ctviggen
Gee, I would have also naturally assumed that olives are in olive oil.
Since I started keto, I don’t think I am getting much PUFA anymore. I am doing a lot more cooking from scratch than ever before. But I will remain vigilant now that I know.
Gotta get my cauliflower mac and cheese out of the oven. YUMMY YUMMY YUMMY
You cannot not eat PUFAs. That’s a ridiculous concept and a complete misinterpretation of what I said. ALL FATS that occur in nature have PUFAs.
You, however, don’t have to gobble them down. You don’t have to eat seed oils. I’ve reached the conclusion that even olive oil is detrimental at high intakes.
You get plenty of PUFAs, all you need to survive, by eating beef. ALL of them. You do not need more.
Now maybe one might want to add more O3 (technically, a PUFA), but you can do that by eating minor amounts of fish or if you can afford it, grass fed/finished beef or other ruminants.
Please stop setting up strawmen and knocking them down. Please read the words that I write, not what you want to see in them.
Many people find it hard, okay.
It’s a very, very bad diet… Nope. You don’t even know what are you talking about… It can be done horribly. It may be super bad for some people though a very carby diet is probably super bad for way more people. Simple keto is not strict enough for me, it seems. We thrive on different diets, eating different amount of carbs. I don’t want the best diet in average (including how easy it is for the average one), I want MY ideal woe. But I get it, these articles aren’t and can’t be for the individuals. It’s okay but our personal choices shouldn’t depend on the average but our own individual body, mind, priorities. It’s useful to keep in mind.
There are so many keto versions and so many different people. I am sure it would work just fine for huge masses if they did it right. But it’s not as easy as “eating whatever” or sticking to a super fixed meal plan. But our health is worth some work. IMO. Many people seem to think differently.
Poor people who get scared away from keto while they would benefit from it a lot 
I saw so many keto hater articles in my life and I don’t even search for them. (And I saw a lot of stupid things called keto while it was more like LFHC for long term anorexic people. the total carb was low indeed). So much bullshit…
So clearly the best way to combat these poorly informed missives is to use the data we have to challenge it. To that end, has anyone compiled the research that DOES exist on the benefits of keto (I hear Richard Morris reference studies all the time) put it in a google folder, and shared it widely? If not, I will!
Then all of us who wish to use facts and data to silence this silliness can. But that’s what it requires…knowing the science and then quoting it.
.@ctviggen
Dont be mean. Bunny meant well.
I have a cornstarch problem- please read my restaurant question!
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There’s zero clinical evidence that keto acidosis can happen w/o meds on a ketogenic diet!
The annual Keto is the worst diet article funded by the grain industry. Before the word “keto” took off it was the Atkins diet taking the award for worst diet. Obesity is a money making disease and a healthier population makes some people lose money. It works and the health industry has finally started coming around to telling people to cut sugar intake. Twenty years ago that was never mentioned because fat was the supposed culprit. Baby steps…
The big kicker in the article though is the recommendation to combine the Mediterranean diet with Keto. If Keto is so horrible why would any aspect of it need to be followed? The main problem these people have with Keto is it’s reliance on meat instead of a vegan lifestyle.
And look at the people on the panel
Greger, Katz and Guyenet… well they’re bound to be fair and balanced!
I do read the words you write and I see hysteria and a wild imagination in what your trying to convey, it is way more complex than your sources of information are telling you; “PUFA’s are the singular cause of everything,” when they have no idea what they are even talking about. There is way more to it than just PUFA’s.
It’s like watching the oxalate and lectin hysteria; you would not be able to eat anything ever again if you actually believed in such none sense, it is simply the product of wild imaginations, perhaps a collective schizophrenia of some kind or a mental health issue, the power of suggestion is a powerful thing.
I agree that is the main reason.
Few in the media seem to want to say “it’s ok to eat as much meat as you want and it will probably be better for you than whatever it replaces”. Even if it’s true.
Everything is a constant refrain of “vegetables, hearthealthywholegrains, legumes, LEAN meats … and just a little meat, if you must”
That is real! Phytase keeps you from over absorbing nutrients.
The gut microbiome will always make something to counteract any living organism that resists being digested from itself.
Whether it be spiky little oxalates or sugar binding to protein lectins. If human beings were that fragile or volatile we wouldn’t be here?
Anti-biotics prescribed by a doctor and used in livestock or whatever your eating are what prevent you from digesting lectins and oxalates. It does cross-over from animal to humans. And if you find a paper that says it does not cross-over look no further than who funded the research?
Sponsored by Weight Watchers…
The program that KEEPS it’s clients LIKE they keep their weight issues!