The Gardener's Conundrum


#21

@benjamin: Good veg choices… I wouldn’t ever grow cabbage as both raw cabbage and sauerkraut is very cheap while growing the vegetable takes space, effort, water and everything. And that’s before turning it into sauerkraut… Anyway, I have found a super tasty sauerkraut 1-2 years ago and I am very happy with it. But some people has a bigger garden and talent :slight_smile: I bake sourdough bread, others make yogurt or sauerkraut! (I make ice cream too but only very easy ones this far, no cooking is involved. my orange ice cream is fabulous. and a bit carby but that’s dairy for you. it has a few drops of orange flavoring and a bit more lemon juice and it tastes like orange. perfect flavoring, that’s so rare! I don’t think I ever saw such ones before).

My first tomatoes are probably ripe now (we have some store-bought ones left so I kept them on), it’s exciting! The plants are full with tiny tomatoes like a photo in a gardening shop paper (? IDK the right term, hopefully it’s understandable). If those things still exist. When I was a child, I used the rose pages for school book cover, they looked unique and cool and didn’t make me hungry. The fruit pics were ridiculous, too much too pretty fruit to be real in a mere mortal’s garden… But here and then in a professional’s, maybe. And now I almost have that level. I guess it can happen with tomatoes, I just never had the luck.
My garden has a good year anyway.
And I have lettuce seeds to sow in the autumn. Winter lettuce! I hope my SO will appreciate it, we never had that kind. I am not into most leaves and while I can appreciate some raw veg here and there, I don’t actually need them with my meat. Definitely not day to day.


(Ben Yates) #22

Well where I live now I can’t even buy sauerkraut for much of the year, though I think where I’ll be living next year they sell it all year. But then I bet I’ll have trouble finding it raw, and I don’t like their ingredients in the cooked (tastes fine, but seed oils).
Anyway it’s the wife who will be doing most of the gardening. So if she can grow a lot of good lettuce, cucumbers and tomatoes, that would be great. I really enjoy a little salad with a meal once a day - lettuce or cucumber and we always make our own sauce to go with it.
But I understand your sentiment. I used to see a good vegetable garden as an important goal, once we move next year and will have the ground to plant it in. Once getting interested in carnivore (after a couple of years of keto), I just didn’t see the use of it anymore.
Now, after having tried carnivore, I think it’s just not for me. I don’t have any obvious health reasons (other than the hypothetical benefits), and I just found it too difficult. I’m very happy to have gone back to keto and to be able to eat other foods (and share, as my wife is not interested).


#23

Understandable then, I was wondering if that’s the case. Sauerkraut is available everywhere here. It’s quite popular in Hungary, several traditional dishes require it. And fortunately, it has no added sugar or sweetener. Other similar things (the same just with mixed vegs, for example) have it but not the precious sauerkraut! Yay!
No version has fat, why would they…

Having a garden is just what I am used to and what I need, no matter my diet. But I doubt I ever will get close enough to carnivore to make my veggie and fruit consumption zero. I can do it temporarily, for weeks, maybe but I don’t need to be strict and a tiny extra is just right for me. I barely would look at vegs in the winter, most probably (except sauerkraut but I very very rarely open a package. like… once in a few months? I love it but I don’t really need it. except for some dishes. they usually involve pork, lard, paprika and sour cream. and the sauerkraut. I LOVE that combo, it’s just perfection). But now we have lovely vegs and they are super low-carb (especially in the small amount I consume them).

Carnivore is super simple (unless I complicate it and of course I do. I love desserts and baking and carnivore can’t keep me from them) and it always will be the base of my diet. I just add more or less other things to it. My body complains if it’s much for an extended period of time. It’s resilient (I felt very healthy on HCHF for decades, even in the very end) but it wants the best so it nudges me there. And as my healthiest diet is the tastiest, it’s not a sacrifice to stay close (I just add my little extras. no harm is done if I am careful and it’s much more joyful and free). Even if I do stray sometimes but that’s worse so I come back.
We all should find our own sweet spot. For my body, it’s carnivore or very close. For me in general, it’s close to carnivore but with carbier times here and there, never for very long (I can go far from carnivore without raising carbs too, I consider that better but not ideal). Consuming some vegs especially my own in summer fits into my ideal diet pretty well I say.
I don’t need carnivore for health except the part of mental health that involves wrong food obsession… I mean, I am very much into food even on carnivore but it’s good food and recipe making (and other things not involving actual eating) and not quite as much as on higher-carb. Good carni food calms me down a little, it’s chill and I appreciate it. I don’t do hard, I eat what I want but I can be very happy close to carnivore when the time is right. It usually happened in winter but last winter I couldn’t stop eating fruits for some reason… And I like bread too so I had difficulties… My little raw vegs are adorable compared to those real problems. By the way, my love for vegs that carnivore effectively killed is somewhat back. I had like 100g fried cauliflower today and it was tasty… I hardly will eat it more than once a year in the future I suppose, I don’t want it but I consider it tasty again. And grilled zucchini on the 8bit demoscene party last weekend was amazing. And the cucumber/tomato salad (no sauce, I never used sauce on salads anyway. I never even liked salads, just raw vegs, sometimes mixed. so no wonder sauce makes no sense to me. it’s not like I could eat a salad alone, I eat it with some fatty protein)… It was good with pork. There was chili sauce too, in different flavors and strength. It was nice except they used proper pork only in the beginning when I was satiated by the sausages and the compos had started…