Stay On Plan - Addiction is a piece of cake

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#1

“Addiction is a piece of cake.”

What is the term for a statement that can be read in many different ways?

I can see that I went off the WOE (way of eating) plan last week in relation to work stress. And I can hear @Fangs basic golden guide shoulder angel saying, “Stay On Plan”.

The other thing I can see as well is that the resulting heart palpitations follow those changes of the week before. It’s a correlation. It’s also an alternate hypothesis to an immediate thought. The standard thinking being of direct cause and effect, of what did I consume just before the heart palpitations started?

On thinking on it, it’s more likely that I’ve messed up my day-to-day physiology and electrolytes over multiple small episodes over a few days last week, rather than whether it was eating some fish for the meal before the heart episode (and scratching my head over that).

In the mix are symptoms of the potential thing called oxalate dumping that can occur with making changes in a WOE from high to low oxalate foods eating.

I also remember Dr. Adam Nally ‘s clinical observation that the atrial fibrillation episodes (or heart palpitations) occur in his patients when they changed their basic keto plan, usually associated with a vacation.

And Sally K Norton (of oxalate investigation fame) observing a similar opposite of people getting palpitations when enthusiastically starting a low oxalate diet and ending up in ER a week later with heart palpitation concerns. The diet change releases ‘toxins’, including oxalate, and that oxalate is “hungry” to bind positive molecules (cations) in the blood stream that regulate heart rhythm. From that, it suggests that diet changes, the actual process of change rather than specific ingredients, are a strong consideration to ill effects of trying a diet change therapy.

This also goes some way to explaining the multitude of newbie enquires about, diarrhoea, constipation, hair loss, rashes, cravings, justifications, behaviour changes, headaches, bloating, heartburn etc. It is not the new healthful diet doing something bad to the person, it’s the process of change and adaptation creating effects that can feel negative on a timeline or transition toward health. Many oldies contract it to, “Your body is healing.”

These observations speak strongly to the ‘stay’ word of ‘Stay on Plan’ and make changes in small, considered increments based on the best information and advice. The changes are for fine-tuning and individual customisation for what works best for that phase of the way of eating. Usually the adjustments take the form of the hard won ability to jettison intermediate substitute foods used to treat addiction cravings, or dumping the need to snack.

This stay on plan philosophy is not dietary way dependent. It could be applied to vegan, keto, or carnivore, or “zero” carb. The SAD (Standard Advised Diet based on government dietary advice) being the exception to staying on plan, except for the 12% of the population it seems for which to work, and don’t need this forum.

The mistake not to make is the momentary insanity “stuff it” mistake. Also known as the “this ain’t working” excuse, when one blames the diet rather than the work energy application of the dieter. Where one gives in to cravings and transforms, like a were-waffle, into a processed carb eater for a meal or two, or embarks on a mindless month long addiction fuelled meltdown binge.

Or, if they do eat that piece of cake due to social requirements, that they get back on plan and dust off the aberration, like dusting the crumbs from one’s beard or napkin.


#2

Great insights FrankoBear.

In my own humble and limited experience (as it relates to drugs, alcohol and cigarettes, as well as foods) addiction has best been tackled by BOTH (a) a constant, persistent searching for answers and seeking to understand one’s condition - self-knowledge, self-awareness, self-reflection - and constantly educating oneself about the full spectrum of possible options available to move forward; AND, (b) continuing to take action. Self-reflection without action is of limited value in this realm; likewise hasty action without knowing oneself and one’s strengths, weaknesses and deepest motivations can also fail and lead to despair and demoralisation. I like this forum because it helps me with both (A) and (B).

I have no doubt you’ll be able to quickly reorient in the direction that you know to be the right one for you. KCSOP (Keep Calm, Stay On Plan!)


(Marianne) #3

So true! Isn’t as catchy, but for me, addiction is a mere “bite” of cake. Unfortunately, it’s taken me over fifty years to learn that. I know what would happen if I go off plan, and I am deathly afraid of it. I think worse is the guilt, shame and fear that accompany it.


#4

HEY!! I resemble that remark!!! Oldie :scream_cat:

I really enjoyed your post.

Stay on Plan is the biggest key to any health change and goals we plan for ourselves. Without that part of it all…nothing we desire for results of the plan we choose to heal us will work…unless we Stay on Plan!

That was my biggest issue when I did low carb, extreme low carb, dabbled in keto a short time and hit into zero carb. My biggest issue was Stay the He** on Plan come heck or highwater! It makes all the difference in the world from doing this but it can also be the hardest part of any change in our WOE we decide to tackle.

I think Stay on Plan is the whole commitment to receive the desired changes one wants when ‘working on themselves’ even if it is a project we are tackling or what food we decide to eat at our meal. If we don’t stay in line with the forward plan we choose to tackle in life and keep that line pretty tight and straight, we get nothing accomplished. It works thru alot of issues in our lives I would think.

Also for me was ‘how bad did I want it’, how ‘much did I desire change and what was I willing to do for it’…and that boiled down to Stay on Plan! LOL

You are right about if one eats off plan it truly can monkey up your balances…like your electrolytes and more. Not a doubt about that. And yes toxins and more are released while we heal and we will have adaption issues, key is to take each one as it comes at us and handle it directly but calmly and slowly and of course we ‘can’t fix all toxin/adaption’ issues, only time and the body changing can do that.

The new healthy diet isn’t making us ill :slight_smile: It is eating off plan and having effects that nail us personally from what we ate and dealing with it after…it is the adaption each of us can get hit with til time, timeline dependent on the individual person of course to heal on this plan has to happen…no person usually gives any healthy plan a fair shake and I have to say, carnivore can have some long adaption time for many cause it is such a monster elimination menu that our bodies truly go…wowza…we are going back to reset. reset back to a natural eating menu and now I have to change and dump toxins and heal and more and darn it can be wild…but once thru it…oh yea, heaven of health on the other side of that adaption.

Plus ya know so many GO by the scale. I don’t anymore…yea I can get that tad of ‘damn scale’ days in my life but I go by how clothes fit, how I FEEL, how vibrant and energized I am upon waking, how I don’t focus on food all day long anymore, how I put more vim and vigor into life and enjoy ‘feeling damn good’ each day and having that non-bloated wonderful body well being each day…ALL those extra benefits we receive that have nothing, nada, to do with the damn scale :slight_smile: I would rather eat this way and not drop my last 20 lbs I want gone and feel wonderful then to struggle and drop 20 and probably regain it and more and feel like crap trying to drop a darn lb in life anymore monkeying around and making myself diet crazy again…just me on this part :wink:

Stress also is a biggie FB. I know your city work is stressful and when one ‘truly doesn’t wanna be there’ and you prefer your wonderful quiet homey homestead and walks with Billie on the beach, I get it! That little darn ball of crap that is tightly wound up inside us saying…damn this isn’t how I want my life to go right now, but darn if we don’t have to do things to make life work for all of us. Things that we would love to change maybe…best we can do is slowly think of ways for change to make it easier on us and more…tackling life issues for each of us is no different than tackling our WOE I guess :100:

ok FB ya got me jawing…good post tho!!


(Robin) #5

Bravo! You said it all. And so perfectly. Love the phrase Addiction is a piece of cake. Also, just realized that SOP (stay on plan) is also the acronym for Standard Operating Procedure. You were so smart to sit down and write all of this down. Turn your turmoil into insight and share it.
Good job, you. You got this.


(Bob M) #6

I think some of this depends on your situation. I have no issues with eating off plan, say on vacation, and getting back on plan. But I think others are not so fortunate.

Since I like Dr. Unwin from the UK, so I got his wife’s book:

In it, she has a yes/no test you can take to gauge your addiction to sugar. (10 questions?) Yes = 1, no = 0. I scored a zero. (Would have scored higher if she had “maybe” or “sometimes”, maybe a one if each of those got 1/2 point).

I think some people have to be much more vigilant when it comes to cake or other trigger foods. If you’re scoring 8, 9, 10 on that test, you might be one of those people who really have to watch what they eat, even for holidays, vacation, etc.


(UsedToBeT2D) #7

Yes. A piece of cake, cookie, candy, or potato chip is far more addictive to me than alcohol… i think of the former as “ how bad can just a few be?” Then I ride the slippery slope down. As I just discovered this weekend. Shucks, back on plan.


(Marianne) #8

I can speak first hand to an addiction to all three. I agree with you assessment, however, I would add, c) that total abstinence is required - for me.


(Marianne) #9

Indeed! My sentiments exactly, otherwise I’m ■■■■■■! :laughing: I’m making light, but that is true for me. If I were to go off, I don’t know if/when I’d ever get back on.

Me, too! Since the beginning, I won’t do that to myself anymore. I go to the doctor’s enough (don’t ask me the heck why - always a three month “follow-up”??? I have never felt better than the last 2.5 years.) I get a weight then, and otherwise, I don’t care. The scale is the devil - for me.


#10

For me… consuming some sort of fruit
has always led to the fruit fungus trying to control my mind towards eating more carbs. An apple a day keeps ketosis away and the doctor in business.

This addiction to sugar reminds me of the forbidden fruit bible story. I believe our ancestors tried to instill rules as a way to teach us about the dangers of fruit and carbs in general.

Maybe we need modern rules for living in a carb centric society?


#11

Totally agreed on abstinence. That’s been essential for the alcohol, smokes and drugs… for me, food has always been a little harder on that front. I think the carnivore WOE is probably the closest you can get to abstaining from addictive foods, I’m not sure as I’ve never tried it… for me I am drawn to a more moderate path with carb-restriction, but it means the clarity of my “Plan” is always getting re-negotiated from week to week. So I’m making it both harder and easier for myself. All a bit confusing but it’s sure easier to deal with the food thing when you don’t have an alcohol and drugs thing beating down your door. I could never properly, honestly face my food issues until I’d dealt with the rest.


(bulkbiker) #12

Genius!


(Doug) #13

Well said, and quite lyrical along the way.

Finding “what works for us as individuals” can be a heck of a thing - there are the more rare individuals where the common mechanistic approaches do seem to really not work, or work well. But for the great majority, it’s finding how to just stay on plan. Plan your work and work you plan. Heh; easy to say…


#14

and a ton of it is a personal mind game about how are lives have progressed and ARE we ready for change and accept it and truly desire it or is it just ‘not the time’ but a walk in the journey?

So many of US here are ALL IN with desiring change and WILL do it come heck or highwater but many are not here…haven’t walked THAT walk yet many of us have…so? Big changes are hard for so many and our life and journey puts us at different stages as we ‘get here’ to the ultimate ‘work in progress on us thru learning and change’ that makes us stronger and puts us in the right path.

just chatting it out and jawing some thoughts