I need some keto coaching please.
I’ve seen a few videos on soy. It’s in everything just about. Is it bad enough to mess with my Leto if I’m using mayo to make recipes and and ranch dressing almost daily ?
Soy
Bellyman
(Brian)
#2
It’s hard to answer that. Different people will react differently to soy.
With keto having a lot to do with hormones, one that worries me about soy is the estrogen type effects that it can have. I’m not wanting to overdo that. While I won’t automatically turn my nose up at something with it, I do seek out products without soy. But my wife will tend to have an allergic reaction to soy if she gets more than just a little of it, not life threatening, but not pretty either. So in general, we don’t do soy.
We did manage to find a mayo without soy in it, can’t remember the brand. Ranch dressing is harder to find than mayo, but it does seem like there was one that we did find. We don’t use much of that.
Some make their own. I haven’t yet but would if I had to. It doesn’t appear that difficult to do. Only thing is, I’m told the homemade stuff won’t last nearly as long as store-bought.
Good luck!
David_Stilley
(Full Metal KETO AF)
#3
So the soy oil won’t affect ketosis any different than another oil, but vegetable oils are not recommended for keto or for your general health.
They are inflammatory and do not work well in the human body’s on a cellular level. You’re cells all have fat built into the membrane walls. When vegetable oil is used there’s a problem with some functions that I can’t recall off the top of my head, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in. But we all make efforts to use the best fats, after all fat is the “juice” that powers keto. It’s the most important food source for us so it makes sense to me to use the best I can. Animal fats, butter, coconut, avocado and olive oils. These are the best nutritional fats. 
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#4
Not too much information on this subject when it comes to fermented soy, fermented soy is very nutrient dense in Vitamin-K and entirely different from regular non-fermented soy:
- Rich in Vitamin K
- Contains Nattokinase
- Packed with Probiotics
- Promotes Bone Health
- Enhances Digestion
- Keeps Your Heart Healthy
1. Rich in Vitamin K
One of the main reasons that natto is so good for you is because it is rich in vitamin K. In fact, the Department of Public Health reports that it contains 100 times more vitamin K2 than cheese! (1)
A. Vitamin K2 is important because, according to the National Institutes of Health, it’s considered a key component in maintaining the bone mineral density of postmenopausal women suffering from osteoporosis. (2) This is especially good news for vegetarians and vegans because natto is one of the few plant-based sources of vitamin K2.
Having a higher intake of vitamin K2 is associated with:
B. lower risk of heart disease, artery calcification and death. (3)
C. Vitamin K2 also supports bone health by increasing bone mass and slowing bone loss that occurs over time. (4) …More
References:
[3] The Truth About Unfermented vs Fermented Soy (good or bad?)
[4] Natto: The Fermented Soy Superfood “…The problem is the soy you see in all these foods is not the traditionally grown crop of Japan. In fact, the majority of soy that you find in in grocery stores is actually genetically modified (GMO), produced in a different way and doesn’t yield the same nutritional benefits. However, when you ferment soybeans you have a completely different product that boasts an entirely separate set of nutrients, which is why when it comes to soy, the safest and best way to consume it is through fermented foods like miso, tempeh or natto. So what is natto, and how can it impact your health? Let’s dig in. …” …More
SporkyDonkey
#5
As much as I love natto, fermented soy is often higher in phytoestrogens than unfermented soy.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#6
Still waiting for that research on any human beings that says:
“I got boobs (gynecomastia) or cancer from eating fermented or unfermented soy?”
Lol 
SporkyDonkey
#7
They’re effective enought to suppress menopause symptoms, and while there have been no placebo controlled double blind crossover studies, there have been case reports of men growing tits, getting ED, and tanking their sperm counts through soy consumption. My junk works very well, and I’d like to keep it that way.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#8
Some research about those myths:
[4] Soy, red clover, and isoflavones and breast cancer: a systematic review.
[6] Soy food consumption and risk of prostate cancer: a meta-analysis of observational studies.
[8] An unusual case of gynecomastia associated with soy product consumption. i.e. 3 quarts or more of soy milk a day (unfermented) for 6 months; excessive amounts?
SporkyDonkey
#9
About to leave work, but I can already see the word “epidemiological.” Tsk tsk.
If you want to eat soy, go for it, but keep that garbage away from me and my children.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#10
Hmmm? A rude awakening?
”…People who are allergic to soy may also react to eggs, dairy and flesh foods. This is usually chalked up to multiple allergies, but the cause might well be soy residues from the soy-based chows fed to poultry, cows, sheep and fish. Since 2005, when The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America’s Favorite Health Food was published, many readers have shared stories of allergic reactions to eggs, dairy and meat from soy-fed animals. Not a lot of science supports the premise that soy feed is the culprit just yet, but four studies indicate phytoestrogens end up in egg yolks, and one shows their presence in chicken liver, heart, kidney and muscle meat. …” …More
NEWS FLASH!!! …your probably eating it anyway…
That may not be the case if your buying expensive cuts of exclusively grass fed meats but even then you cannot be entirely sure?
Their are some farmers who are starting to feed their livestock seaweed but even then you can’t be sure either?
Soy based livestock feed is big business!
Free range eggs…maybe?
Notice the soy bean oil, what almost every restaurant cooks with?
Hard to escape not eating phytoestrogens estrogens in general or the toxic hexanes used to process soybeans in general because you would starve to death?
SporkyDonkey
#11
I don’t eat at restaurants, I don’t eat anything with soybean oil, soy protein, soy anything in it, and I try hard to avoid eggs from chickens with a “vegetarian diet.” Yes, phytoestrogens are difficult to avoid, it’s probably a contributing factor to why testosterone levels and general male strength have been tanking the last couple of generations. “It can relieve menopause symptoms, but it’s totally safe for men and developing babies, trust us, we’re unbiased scientists! Plus it’s loaded with heart healthy polyunsaturated fatty acids, and carbohydrates, the body’s preferred fuel!” Let’s not forget about the lectins.
Soy is not fit for human consumption. It’s not even fit for most animals. Do you know why plants make phytoestrogens? They’re insecticides. They cause the insects that eat them to grow up sterile and/or disfigured. Their whole purpose is to wreck development, and people feed it to their children like polymascotfoamalate.
Bellyman
(Brian)
#12
LOL!! That one caused a chuckle here, never heard it stated quite that way before.
Working junk is a wonderful thing! 
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#13
Mayonnaise is dead easy to make, especially if you have a stick blender. Of course it spoils faster, because it’s not loaded with preservatives, but on the other hand, you don’t need to make a lot at a time. Also the result is so much tastier that the slight extra effort is well worth it. You can even make mayonnaise from bacon grease (use the forum search to find the recipe—you won’t regret it).
Bellyman
(Brian)
#14
One thing about mayo… tomato season is coming. And I love mayo on my tomatoes. So I may just have to give this a go knowing full well that I’m more likely to eat it before it spoils.
Screenack
(less is more, more or less)
#15
The online recipes I’ve used is “aioli” and yes, easy and delicious. Spoilage isn’t a problem since I eat it too quickly.