So is everyone planning on doing LCHF ketogenic plan for life?

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(Empress of the Unexpected) #101

Which fruits and which carbs? When I get to maintenance I am considering expanding as well.

(linda) #102

I had a small amount of some blueberries and had a small piece of pita bread at a Greek Restaurant with my Greek salad- both were a nice small addition - caused no binging and didn’t kick me out of KETO -
I made me feel like this program can be a bit less restricted and still be successful.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #103

Dr. Phinney used to talk about people eating less than 100 g/day of carbohydrate and still getting into ketosis. I notice, however, that at Virta he is now saying 50 g/day. And apparently a lot of people—Dr. Phinney said about 10% of the population in one of his lectures (IIRC)—can eat as much carbohydrate as they want without ever developing insulin resistance.

Am I one of those latter people? No. Could I eat more than 20 g/day? Perhaps. Why don’t I risk it? Because I’ve been known to binge on cauliflower and on kale, let alone chocolate or glazed doughnuts.

(TJ Borden) #104

Those lucky bastards

(Empress of the Unexpected) #105

I personally believe in your 20s, etc yes it is possible. 60?:scream:. No way.

#106

I suspect (but it is just a guess) that the idea you can eat 100g a day of carbs and get into ketosis stemmed from him working with athletes.

Nowadays, with Virta, he is unlikely to see athletes, and instead mostly dealing with T2s who are more sedentary. Heck. compared with an athlete, 99% of us are sedentary. :slight_smile:

(TJ Borden) #107

That’s my thought too. I know many can do 100g and “remain” in ketosis, but it’s probably not likely that the average person could do 100g and “enter” a state of ketosis.

(Brian) #108

That is an interesting quantity. But it’s nearly meaningless.

How much carbohydrate would a person eat if they could eat “as much as they want”? One person may eat a lot. One person may eat quite a small amount. A lot has to do with the way they were raised, what they consider “normal”. If a person is raised without a lot of carb inputs, “normal” would be fairly low carb and they would likely not want large amounts of carbs. If a person is raised on nearly all carbs, that’s what they’ll consider “normal” and that’s the way they’ll likely want to eat.

It’s like me and protein. Because I was raised on high carb and rather low protein, I naturally gravitate towards that. It was generally eating a lot of vegetables so I still lean in that direction. I’ve pretty much ditched the starchy ones, at least in any regular quantity, but still eat lots of veggies. But I have to make a conscious effort to get my protein because I can easily fill up on veggies and then not want the protein, which isn’t a good place for me to be. Now other people can sometimes have the opposite problem and will have to restrict their protein intake so as to not take in way too much. It’s probably because of the way they learned to eat growing up. And I do not say that critically. We do tend to be creatures of habit.

I do eat all the protein I want. But if measured, I rarely… can’t remember when I have… approach the upper limits of the range for my LBM. I just don’t want that much. But when I say “I eat all I want”, people naturally assume that I eat 10 pounds of steak a day. Um, no, I don’t. “All I want” rarely goes beyond 100g or so, and that’s a big day when I probably feel like I’ve overeaten.

(Steve ricci ) #109

It’s a way of life Just like eating junk food, or being vegetarian. Its a person’s choice

(Clara Teixeira) #110

Fairly strict keto here for 15 months but I am gradually going above the 20g of carbs now that I am in maintenance. I was never really considered obese and am really sticking with this way of eating for health benefits. My migraines are gone now and I am happy to keep them away with low carb eating! I do think I will eat higher carb in the summer (up to 50g) simply because I absolutely LOVE to garden and eat freah veggies!

(Ida) #111

Please explain the loose skin hope, it went over my head. I am strict keto, so I went from 185 to 147, and still dropping, I am a forever Keto person, but the loose skin is a battle that is just beggining for me & a worry. However, it gave me comfort to hear someone address it at all. Thank you for that :slight_smile:

(TJ Borden) #112

Autophagy can reduce loose skin as you lose weight, and fasting is the best tool for autophagy.

(Carol Orrell) #113

There are a number of YouTube videos that describe autophagy which is what happens while in intermittent fasting. It is a slow process of losing loose skin of 1- 2% a month but it works.

(Ida) #114

Thank you. Since I do a lot of intermittent fasting, maybe that is what has been helping without even realizing it.
I will watch them :slight_smile:

#115

I plan on it for the foreseeable future.