So i just had a stroke

(ben) #1

Last tuesday i was having speech trouble. called the doctior and they sent sn ambulance my way, the usual rollercoaster. disgnosis mild stroke right side of brain. speechimpairment and left sideb of body (hand) impacted in form of wealkness and less fine movement control. now typing this with right hanf only. so excuse the tpo’s

had been fasting fo over a year with keto. had e=several extended fasts past monthss. lost a lot of weight, but also raised colesterol. which the doctors happily pointed out as culprit. was not in the mood of discussion. police cars always on the crime scene does not mean crimes are related to police,etc.

now rehab and see if i can repair brain damage with autophagy/stemcelll regen. wife not so supportive this time, so if you guys can help me find science experiments on recovery through fasting would be great. first hit was fasting might cause stroke…

#2

ooh - I’m so sorry to hear this.
I don’t know much about strokes and don’t want to fill your thread with rambling or theories, so I’m just here to say good luck. I’m sure that you’ll come across some helpful advice (here or elsewhere).

(Bunny) #3

Hmmm?

Stroke and Nutrition: A Review of Studies

Which nutrients affect the risk of stroke?

Fat and cholesterol

High serum cholesterol is a risk-factor for ischemic stroke. A recent Asian study showed that higher total cholesterol and systolic blood pressure is accompanied with eight times higher ischemic stroke risk. However, there is no evidence of an increase in hemorrhagic stroke risk with the combination of low total cholesterol level and hypertension and hence if there is an association, it is smaller than indicated in several previous cohorts.[5]

The levels of dietary saturated fatty acid (SFA) consumption is correlated positively with stroke mortality rates in both sexes.[6] An observational study of 43,732 men in the USA showed that the risk of ischemic stroke did not increase in people with the highest quintile of intake of total fat, dietary cholesterol, vegetable fat, animal fat, saturated fat, mono-unsaturated fat, and trans fatty acids in the comparison of the lowest quintile of consumption.[7] No relationship between dietary fat and ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke incidence was observed after follow-up for 4 years. Intakes of red meats, high fat dairy products, nuts, and eggs were not related the stroke risk.[8] There is a descending trend in risk of coronary heart disease with low consumptions of trans fatty acids and saturated fat[9] and type of fat intake may be more relevant for cardiometabolic health than the proportion of calories consumed from total fat.[10,11]…” …More

#4

you say nothing about any other risk factors you might have e had- like high blood pressure or being overweight still? There are other factors which could play a role. But the thing that would worry me most of all about fasting with respect to stroke is the lack of fluids.

(Bob M) #5

Those are both so wrong…so wrong. If anything, it’s the other way around.

See this, for instance:

In fact, saturated fat intake has gone UP, while strokes in Japan have gone DOWN.

When you say “stroke”, you have to be clear. There are two types. This are Ischemic Strokes, which are caused by a blood clot. There are Hemorrhagic Strokes, which are basically bleed-through strokes (NOTE: high saturated fat tends to reduce the chances of these).

What type of stroke did you have?

Have you had a CAC scan? Do you have FH (familial hypercholesterolemia)? If so, you likely have clotting problems.

There’s also these:

(Bunny) #6

I agree with you I was just laying out a backbone for comparison and review.

Those are some pretty awesome links.

#7

Do you eat grain fed or pastured meat rich in carotenoids?

https://www.google.com/search?q=beta+carotene+atherosclerosis

I also believe overeating on fat will clog up the blood highway. If the blood wasn’t clogged to begin with… then fasting wouldn’t be required.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #8

Dr. Phinney says he has research showing that a well-formulated ketogenic diet, because it increases fatty acid metabolism, actually leads to lower saturated fat in the blood, despite the higher amounts of saturated fat in the diet. As he puts it, it’s not that we are what we eat, it’s that we we are what we do with what we eat.

“Atery-clogging saturated fat” is a common-enough trope that it seems intuitively obvious. However, there was a study from the 1970’s (or thereabouts) in which the blood from people on a high-carbohydrate, low-fat diet was compared with the blood from people on a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet, in which the researchers were surprised to discover that the the blood from the HCLF participants was noticeably cloudy with fat droplets, whereas the blood from the LCHF participants was not. Unfortunately, Ancel Keys and his cronies were influential enough by that time to get the study ignored.

#9

Ben. I wish you a healthy recovery.

What was the cause of the stroke? Did they get to the root cause?

Was it a blood clot causing an obstruction (e.g. possibly associated with a heart valve disorder)? Was it a bleeding vessel (hypertensive)? Was it concussive, from a hit on the head? Was it atherosclerosis? Did you have a respiratory virus related to it (e.g. COVID19)?

If you have root cause information, you have the start of a map for what to do about it. Each scenario, and the list is not exhaustive, has different approaches.

As for healing. Yes, I think, for what it is worth, that encouraging autophagy via fasting is a good path. then there is the importance of provision of building blocks for healing. I am not sure of specific nutrients for nerve or brain tissue repair, but there probably are some specific amino acids, vitamins and minerals that would be helpful to focus on. The simple answer (for me to give) is, when eating, eat a nutrient dense highly bioavailable diet. I can imagine that optimising sleep is incredibly important for repair and rewiring, so eating timing and foods that enhance sleep would be another step.

(ben) #10

it was a blood clot, and no fornthe rest of the questions

#11

I’m not talking about saturated fat specifically. I’m just talking about overeating on fat in general which easily occurs when eating unhealthy grain fed meat and farmed fish. What a lot of people don’t know is that unhealthy seed oils are added to animal/fish feed to increase their weight. We know seed oils are unhealthy for us and imagine what this is doing to the meat of these animals. Junk meat?

Then there’s compounds such as carotenoids/chlorophyll that are mainly found in pastured meat and wild fish which act as anti-oxidizing stabilizing factors in the meat and our body.

(Anna) #12

Give a listen to Dr William Wong on YouTube. He mentioned a person in a similar situation and recommended Systemic Enzymes. Among other things.
He does have a supplement company too.
I would suggest getting his Magnesium supplements. But Magnesium is vital to allow blood flow and helps lower blood pressure. We use Carlson’s Fish oil as well. We take 1-2 tablespoons daily. It is a blood thinner but is good for brain health and heart health.

I hope the doctors are not recommending cholesterol meds. I would never want anyone to suffer from the side effects such as dementia and or muscle deteriation.

Blessings and Prayers for peace in your decisions.

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #13

If fat clogs the arteries, why doesn’t it clog the veins?

#14

I am so sorry for your medical issues and wish you nothing but the best in recovery!!!

But there are tons of ‘before keto’ and life environmental issues we all faced like using weed killers to make our yards nice, breathing in gas as we fill the car and A TON more just life issues.

So for us as individuals ‘something we did’ is gonna do ‘whatever it will do’ to us ya know. I mean I don’t believe one second that fasting and keto and change to healthy living as best we can is your troubles, ya know…like there is SO much more involved.

Do you best you can for recovery. Eat great protein/fat as your vehicle for health. Don’t fast so much as in just eat good meat/seafood/fat and provide for the body vs. taking from the body. Might be a good way to roll for ya? Let the body have the food it needs for repair and more?

I wish you nothing but the best and hope all falls into a great recovery and more for you :slight_smile: :sunny: