Serum Electrolytes levels on a Ketogenic diet


(Adrian ) #1

I’m wondering, do the normal reference range for serum Potassium levels and Sodium still apply on Keto?
I had an episode to the Emergency room, and the blood tests they took me showed both Sodium and Potassium in range.
The reasons I went to the ER were:

hypertension, heart palpitations
numbness in legs and arms
chest pain
diziness, overall body weakness

They let me out after 2 hrs of monitoring my heart rate and prescribed me Magnesium, even though the tests showed in range Mg levels in the blood and I told them I’m already taking Mag citrate for about 2 weeks


(Carl Keller) #2

It sure sounds like an electrolyte issue but the test results coming back negative is baffling. I sure hope your symptoms improve @Adrian_Grozavu.


Sodium, potassium levels are in normal range. Potential magnesium deficiency?
(Mark Rhodes) #3

In February I was rushed to the ER with abdominal pain severe enough to make me pass out. This was the third time I have felt it and as of yet it remains undiagnosed.

However a RBC test may be more useful for a magnesium test. Serum levels are reports of how much is in the blood. RBC might tell you how much is at the cell. Also I recently learned that it is possible for serum levels to be adequate BUT that is from leeching the electrolytes from the bones. I have done no further research into this but if any one has links I am open to following them.


(Bunny) #4

How long you been doing keto?

Could be your gut bugs are becoming hypoglycemic (starving to death) and reacting to your carbohydrate restriction, they will do strange stuff to your body when they are starving and let you know it? (a good percentage of your immune system are in those gut bugs or gut flora microbiome)

Exact same thing happened to me too with the exact same symptoms similar to when I eat Stevia, like I always say that is what type 2 resistant starch is for…just saying

It could something entirely different being that you did not state anything about any kind of diagnosis?

Dr. Berg just published this 4 hours ago about the B-1 deficiency you were asking about on another thread…

12 Ways You Can Be Vitamin B1 Deficient

In this video, Dr. Berg discussed the 12 ways you can be a vitamin B1 deficient.

B1 Deficiency Symptoms:

  1. Nerve – Restless leg syndrome
  2. Stress
  3. Memory Problems
  4. Heart – Edema
  5. Lactic acidosis
  6. No Energy – Fatigue

Causes of Vitamin B1 Deficiency:

  1. Consuming Refined Carbs
  2. Alcohol
  3. Stress – High levels of cortisol
  4. Sugar (Diabetes)
  5. Gastric Bypass
  6. Vomit
  7. Infection
  8. Antibiotics (Flagyl, Cipro)
  9. Diuretics – it could also deplete all the fat soluble vitamins and minerals
  10. Metformin – can increase the chance to get a condition called lactic acidosis
  11. Genetic Defects B1 Transport
  12. Diet – White Rice – could lead to a condition called Beri Beri or a severe B1 deficiency.

Take B1 in its natural form or an unfortified nutritional yeast. <=== what I eat on keto every other day or so. Sprinkle on salad, tastes like cheese…lol


(Adrian ) #5

6 weeks. Actually, I’m Carnivore.
Stumvled upon a post here about B1 and ordered some of it and Mg Glycinate.

Glucose levels came up 90+ at the time they drawn it (10PM)


(Khara) #6

So I tried this after reading the above linked thread. Everyone says it tastes like cheese. Um…no. Not even close. It’s more like sawdust with vitamins mixed in. Not edible. Tried it on a variety of foods. It’s even hard to hide. Sounded like a good idea but I’m back to trying to get foods with B vitamins in them.


(Edith) #7

I started getting palpitations a year into keto. I didn’t think I needed extra magnesium because I’d been supplementing it already for years. I had to up my magnesium intake to about 800 mg / day for a while. Now I take about 450 mg/day using ReMag. That has helped. I also had to start adding some KCl to my salted water throughout the day because my resting pulse rate was going up.

My palpitations have improved, but they still come on every once in a while.


(Khara) #8

Now that I know about magnesium I’m always amazed that it seems to be self experimentation and research that I hear people having to do to discover they need it. My SO has a-fib. Not once have any of his doctors ever mentioned magnesium. It’s like it’s just something we have to figure out on our own and are in the dark following our doctors advice thinking we are doing the right thing until we stumble onto something different that actually works. (Slight rant, haven’t had my first meal of the day yet. Steak is on the stove, I’ll be better soon.)


(Edith) #9

Read “The Magnesium Miracle” by Carolyn Dean, MD. It is really very interesting about all the different problems that arise from Mg deficiency.

It is very informative. My only complaint about the book is that she does a lot of promoting of her own supplement products.


(Khara) #10

Oooh, sounds good. Will go add it to my queue. Thanks! I like that you mentioned ReMag. Others have too and so I was thinking of trying it. Though, I am a bit stubborn and do prefer zero to little supplements, but when you need it, it’s good to have a good product. :+1:


(Adrian ) #11

I understand this, but I’m really not sure how to get this test in my country. Looked it up on one lab’s website, searching by keyword ‘Magnesium’, and only urine and serum options came up.


(Mark Rhodes) #12

maybe showing your lab this:
https://requestatest.com/magnesium-rbc-testing


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #13

The main issue is with sodium. The normal rate of sodium excretion is slowed by high carbohydrate intake, both because the resulting glucose attracts water, which needs to be balanced with sodium, and because the resulting high insulin level affects the kidneys and stimulates them to excrete sodium more slowly. In the absence of carbohydrate, the kidneys return to the normal faster rate of excreting sodium.

The other issue with sodium is that government recommendations for salt intake are too low, according to recent research. The U.S. recommendation is particularly inadequate. A healthy person is healthiest when consuming 4-6 grams a day of sodium, according to several studies that have come out in the past few years. This translates to 10-15 g/day of table salt (sodium chloride), including the salt already present in food. The lower we go below that range, the more steeply the health risk rises; as we increase intake above that range, the risk rises, but not as steeply (they call this a J-shaped curve).

Interestingly, the healthy range for people with salt-sensitive hypertension appears to be the same, but above the range, the risk rises just as steeply for such people as it does when they go below (a U-shaped curve).

The point of all this is that in most people on a ketogenic diet, keeping salt intake up will eliminate most of the symptoms you report, because the bodily mechanisms that control the level of salt in blood and cells work in conjunction with the mechanisms that control the levels of potassium, magnesium, and calcium. Most people can get enough of these latter minerals in their diet if they are eating enough salt.

Populations that consume a fair amount of blood get enough salt in their diet that they do not need to salt their food (as Stefansson reported about the Inuit), but other cultures have had to make a point of getting salt (the word “salary” derives from the salt allowance given to Roman soldiers as part of their pay).


(Ben ) #14

I started using Mag oil after reading The Magnesium Miracle. Works great on muscle cramps and twitches. My blood serums levels or ok but need to get RCB test.


(Brian) #15

I started using Magnesium Citrate a few months back. It’s cheap. It’s sold in a glass bottle in the pharmacy section of Walmart and most any drug store. It’s in the section with the laxatives and I kinda think it’s intended for people to drink the whole bottle and get cleaned out. I don’t use it that way. I use a little once or twice a day in some water and that’s my magnesium supplement. If I feel some palpitations, I tend to have a little extra and it seems to help (usually when I’ve been working outside and have been exerting myself heavily and sweating a lot). I have SaltLite in my coffee every morning. And I use Real Salt liberally on my food, to taste. I don’t deny myself if I crave salt. It seems to work pretty well.

FWIW, I have not noticed any laxative effects with the Magnesium Citrate. I had thought I read that if your body is using the magnesium, it won’t cause that side effect. It’s when your body doesn’t use it that it gets dumped and then caused the effect. I could be wrong about that. Anyway, it’s easy, it’s cheap and the taste doesn’t bother me in the least.

I agree that everybody has to find their own level. Some people will need more. Some won’t need so much. Some will get what they need from what they eat, though probably not that often.

I think it was Dr. Berry that suggested in one of his videos that serum levels aren’t that helpful because of the way your body will keep serum levels of magnesium in a specific range. If they’re too high, your body will be looking to store or dump the excess. If they’re too low, it’ll pull them from bones or tissue, wherever it can, to maintain serum levels. (That’s if I heard him right.)

Isn’t this stuff fun?!!