Second time around


(Stine ) #1

Hi all, i know keto, i know it works for me and how to do it. I was stricktly keto April to august last year, lost 60lbs and all was good. Then I forgot what I was trying to get away from, I slipped a bit I slipped some more and since new year it’s been more or less a total free fall. Gained it all back and are stuck in a “will start tomorrow” groundhog type situation.

Keto was the one thing that should be different, that I could stay with long term… and I see no reason why I shouldn’t be keto the rest of my life but I’m scared. Scared that if nothing is different this time around it’ll end up as last time… not even sure that’s a valid worry or just an excuse… I know something got to change and that it got to be permanent… but I lack the confidence in that I’ll be able to make it permanent.

Anyone been here and succeeded?


#2

Several years ago I got down to my ideal weight on low carb. Went back to unrestricted carbs and gained it all (and more) back. I went keto about 5 weeks ago, so its too soon to say I have been successful. What’s different this time is I know my why, and its a biggie. I am prediabetic and mildly hypertensive. Recently had a brother in law die from diabetes complications after having had a stroke, 3 amputations, and ending up on dialysis. I don’t want to be diabetic. As long as that is more important to me then the taste of specific foods, I am good to go. My advice to you is have a strong why thats more important then the taste of your favorite carb.


#3

I’ve lost significant weight by low-carbing (and other means) many times (as much as 80 pounds at a time). Same old story. You stop whatever you’re doing, and you gain the weight back (plus more).

Is this time going to be different for me? Honestly (and realistically), I don’t know. I hope so. Some factors that are different this time:

*Now I’m diabetic, and I’ve started having complications (neuropathy, kidney impairment). On previous diets, it was mostly for the aesthetics of weight loss, with only a nebulous goal of “improved health.” Now it’s real. I’m terrified of having to have things amputated, and I know that it really could happen to me.

Low-carbing has normalized my blood sugar, and my kidney function is almost back to normal. It will take years to see if the neuropathy reverses, but at least it’s not progressing. I know that slipping off low-carb will put my health back on a rapid downward spiral, so it’s easy for me to view carby foods as poisonous. As I walk through the grocery store and see the colorful packaging of manufactured foods (which are placed with ever-increasing aggression; they display junk foods in the produce department now!), it feels like walking down the detergent aisle. Pretty boxes, but these items are not edible.

*In addition to the laboratory-proven health improvements, I just feel so good, like 20 (or more!) years younger. I had gotten where I was taking NSAIDs around the clock to keep everything greased up. My shoulder was so bad, I could hardly use that arm. Now nothing hurts! I still can’t believe it, and I keep expecting some joint or another to start acting up, but so far they haven’t. This, by itself, is a very prominent motivation. I didn’t realize how bad I felt until I no longer did. I almost never take painkillers anymore, only for an occasional headache (which I got more frequently before).

I remember experiencing a “feeling good” phenomenon when I low-carbed about 15 years ago, but I never achieved it last time (about four or five years ago). I think the difference was that last time I took frequent “cheat days,” and the previous time I was more hard core. Now that I understand what’s going on, and now that I’m older (thus having more aches and pains averted), just looking at “detergent” packages makes me kind of wince.

*My husband is on board, and he has developed his own compelling health issues (also resolved or resolving), so he’s motivated to stay on plan, too.

*We don’t have cheat days. I know that some people find breaks helpful for sustainability over the long term, but it messed us up last time we tried low-carbing together. For me, it’s hard to reconcile in my mind that something is okay to eat one day, but not the next. This time, I have absolutely no cravings for things I shouldn’t eat, and I know that permanently relegating carby foods in my mind to the “detergent aisle” has made this possible.

*We practice intermittent fasting, something that we didn’t do on previous attempts, and it’s a game changer. We are mostly OMAD (one meal a day) with a lot of flexibility and individualization, and there are definitely “feast” days, but neither of us ever has dinner. This is incredibly liberating, and it is probably what was responsible for the rapid reversal of my diabetes. Low-carbing alone probably would have done it, but not as quickly, and maybe not to this degree.

*I’m on my seventh month and going strong. The longest I had low-carbed previously was about six months, and even then, there were cheat days (both planned and unplanned, probably), and thus constant temptations. It just doesn’t feel like a struggle this time.

So, all things considered, I’m optimistic that this time is really going to be permanent.


#4

Amen! Me too!

Being told I was Pre Diabetic was enough to change my life. I started that very day!


#5

I wonder if maybe you need to draw up a couple of for and against tables? Get everything in there and just keep on going with everything and anything that springs to mind. Be brutally honest and really think about everything to do with your life, health, mood, other people, etc. What happened to start the slip ups last time? and what stopped you just getting back to keto?

I think you need to find really strong motivators but also some strategies for when things feel like they are going wrong or whatever led to you stopping last time. For me, I have seen big changes to my depression and migraines. Those are the biggest reasons for keeping me on track. Then there is the weight loss and now maintenance that is effortless for the first time in my life. I can eat all the yummy food I want and not have to ever be thinking I am going to pay for it on the scales the next day and start having those mind battles with myself. Then there is the yummy food - did I mention that? Lol.


#6

Yes, this is an excellent question to reflect on to help ensure your long-term success this time.

On previous attempts, when I had a stressful event, all bets were off the table, and I unapologetically fell (as Michael Eades says) “facedown in the donuts.” And the last time I fell, it took me three years to get back up.

Now, the worst I might do is fall facedown in the low-carb donuts, because outright “cheating” for any reason is completely off the table. This time, I’m in a committed relationship with keto. And we love each other very much.

I’ve had some stressful events recently, but I handled them by making pimento cheese (indulgent, comforting, and guaranteed to make me gain a few pounds, but I know my blood sugar will be okay, and it won’t send me into a death spiral).

So figure out where you went wrong and how you’re going to do it differently this time. I really do think that is the key.


#7

One thing I would say is to try and remove blame and so judgement. Something changed and you reacted to it in a certain way. By really figuring out what happened and why, I think things can become clearer. Being present in these moments helps too. Being present with no judgement can be very illuminating. When you berate yourself and start shaming the part of you that ate whatever it was, it tends to run and hide. If you simply stay present and allow it to share what led it to eat that food, you might find out some things that could be really helpful in stopping it happen again.

Example. I was feeling pretty low a while back and had been under attack emotionally from some family members. Things went a bit sideways for a few days. This time though, I stayed very present and it felt like what I was doing was self harm. I was punishing myself in response to the things that had been said to me that I had internalised. I didn’t want to add to that punishment so the foods in question went in the bin and I was back to doing the opposite - loving and caring for myself - the next day. And I was present with that too, and still am.

I realise this probably all sounds a little bit nuts and I am not doing a bang up job of explaining it but I am now confident that I can handle any off book keto experience by either avoiding it in the first place or rectifying it FAST. I have no fear of spiralling back into carbs for weeks, months and years - it simply is not going to happen. Never straying from the keto path is great and I admire anyone who manages to stay on the straight and narrow. However, straying can be a very valuable tool for exploring your emotional landscape if you let it.


#8

Its a very scary wake up call!


(Keto in Katy) #9

You know that keto works, so forgive the past, get back on and stay with it.

If you slip again, get back on. As others have mentioned, having a strong “why” is a powerful motivator.

Carbs can be tempting and yummy and all that but it is a dead end. We deserve better.

Now go kick some keto ass and report back on your magnificent results.

veaOk


#10

Some things I’ve learned about the psychology of motivation is that fear is a great starter for behavior change but not a great sustainer. Once a person is far enough from the pain, the motivation drops away and unless another motivational strategy is discovered the person is left with diminished motivation coupled with complacency from the lack of pain and the gained success. For this reason complacency is a great predictor of a “relapse”. And relapsing gets one closer to the pain, which is the motivation…on and on it goes. Discovering the ever changing motivations is quite challenging.
I think this is part of the messy human experience. Being loving, forgiving, compassionate in the face of this challenge is, I think, more important than anything else. How to remove the barriers that prevent us from experiencing how absolutely perfect we really are, always.


(Stine ) #11

That’s a really good and strong why. I believe in the power of the why, mine is also in the same ballpark but haven’t changed since last round… need to find the urgency… thank you :slight_smile:


(Stine ) #12

You truly rock :slight_smile:

Thank you for the reminder of how good one feels when in the flow of keto. I think that was why I lost my focus last time, I forgot how bad it was before and I wasn’t punished for my initial slip ups, weight kept going down and no real cravings I thought. And by the time I started feeling worse I was far from what could be considered keto…

Great for you to be doing it together :slight_smile: here that’s not an option. This will be my thing and I’ll be surrounded by carbs at all meals. This was surprisingly okey last time, facing danger and making it was a great affirmation :wink:

Thank you for your story, hope to next spring be saying I’m 7 months in too :wink:


(Stine ) #13

My labs are in a state where my GP isn’t worried at all while my nutritionalist is all choked up worried that it will soon be too far gone for everything tonne reversible…

Kinda worries me that my GP isn’t worried, but have also been a nice excuse for far too long now…


(Stine ) #14

I really should make lists.

Not much have changed and I’m pretty much at the same place as I was when starting last time…

I think the reason I slipped up was I got comfortable, keto got easy, I forgot how crappy my body felt before keto and then when the small slip ups didn’t cause any adverse effects they were all too easy to continue with and by the time I realised I wasn’t feeling so good anymore I was slipping fast down the slide.

I also used wanting to get pregnant as an excuse not to “diet so hard” and “why reach my goal weight now when I just got to do it again after a pregnancy”. Besides a miscarriage I’m no closer to a baby than a year and a half ago so I guess that excuse is something to let go off…

  • propper lists will be made in the morning promise* thank you :slight_smile:

(Stine ) #15

I’ve said some things about how I slipped up last time, but I think there are more facets.

For example:

I ate 99% chocolate that turned to 86% chocolate that turned to…

I snacked a lot, veggies and dips, some berries, some nuts, cheese

I fell into the low cal and fasting trap

I got lazy with the fat and got too high on the protein

I got stagnant with my meal options

I must admit I’m an all or nothing person, I suck at doing something in moderation meaning I have to stay away from all types of swerener, chocolate, berries, nuts, snacking :slight_smile:

Thanks for the reminder


(Stine ) #16

I’ve thought a lot about it and I can’t really find any concrete emotions or events that triggered it. I just slowly felt too comfortable, I got lazy, I stopped caring, I didn’t want it to take up so much of my focus so I lost all focus…

Thanks for having me rethink and wrote this stuff down :slight_smile:


(Stine ) #17

Yeah you’re right, things doesn’t have to be different for the outcome to be different. All that needs to be different is me and me is changing constantly.

Thank you, I truly need to own that!


(Stine ) #18

That’s some serious truth bombs… you are soooo right, how can I have expected fear to be a constant motivator?? Now that you say it it’s so obvious and I almost feel stupid for ever thinking it.

So I basically got to have one thing different from last time in order to improve my odds of making it, and that’s me, me and my motivation.

Next question then is; what’s truly a good and stable long term motivation… I guess it should be internally based not externally…

Wow, something new to ponder


#19

I am so very sorry about you losing your baby - that is the most awful thing to happen. I hope you can find a way back to caring for you. It sounds like this thread has given you some ideas and fired up your motivation again? Make sure you lean on us when you need to. xxx