Salt intake study

(Edith) #21

That was not true for me. I tried lowering my salt intake on carnivore and I think that caused some of the problems that I had during my carnivore trial.

I’m restarting another carnivore trial for some of my joint problems returned, but this time I am keeping up my salt. I need to add an extra 1.5-2 teaspoons a day, not including what is in my food or I get muscle cramps, heart palpitations, and my blood pressure drops too low. It’s possible the extra need for me is related to sodium loss due to exercise and middle-aged hot flashes, but for now it is what my body requires. I really do find it interesting how different we all are.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #22

Yeah, I don’t think that the people who don’t use salt on carnivore are telling anyone not to use salt, only saying that they stopped feeling a need to put it on their food after a while. And your experience shows that it certainly doesn’t happen right away.

#23

My SO wondered what if the carnivores not salting their food sweat out a lot of salt…? Don’t they need to eat some more? He has a point, I think. Personal differences or not, we do need some amount of sodium and some people lose more than others…

I had my lunch, it seems I still have my 4-5g even on a modest day with little processed food. And that’s quite fine.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #24

I don’t think anyone has yet come up with an explanation. I have, however, read speculation that since people eat more on a carnivore diet, they might be getting enough salt from the meat juice, etc.

#25

yes you could be me, a super salter who requires it point blank…so yea do your tweaks and see how well you do and I hope nothing but the best adding in alot more…add it in for sure and see what goes down :slight_smile:

#26

I feel you are unfair on coming to the conclusion that Mark is directly citing covid vaccine. YOU went there, he did not.

Mark is saying, by my read, ALL the prescriptions and medical crap we inject on a daily basis for ‘symptom control’ and more that comes from the ‘pharmacy’ that we know people ‘live on’ WILL and DO have effects on their future health for sure. Cited studies can sway us, cited studies we read can effect us and then how do people react to what we read…so much info out there on nutrition and medical and more…so…

I find your one narrow thought on the covid vaccine as what Mark said as you projecting onto it ya know…not being snarky here at all but he never made more than a ‘what crap meds we take as a population’ to combat our crap health issues that are rampant…I just found his remark as a ‘basic truth of what pharmacy/health and life’ has become today for many. Dependency.

I am sorry your medical issues happened for you like that and that you got thru what you experienced…but not once did Mark ever say a specific issue…I think ‘the jabbing’ of crap meds in our daily lives is way more than what he did not directly address as being one vaccine or one jab ya know…so truly just showing my personal thoughts on that.

(Mark Rhodes) #27

Could be

…except his past comments lend me to believe otherwise. And I should add multiple people flagged his post as inappropriate to the subject matter which is why I investigated in the first place. It would be inappropriate for me to share all violations, flags and warnings this long time user has accumulated as well as all the helpful flags. Seems he is like all of us a little bit bad, mostly good.

Should I be wrong, I would appreciate an email from him in a personal message and I will be only so glad as to remove my statement and apologize. And I did talk to at least one other admin who initially thought as you did BUT on reflection deemed my comment appropriate.

Here is the thing for me: With such a divisive element spreading in our community we need to be absolutely clear on what we mean. We can no longer afford our comments, mine included, to be left to interpretation or innuendo. We probably should never have done that in the first place.

(Edith) #28

Yes, the carnivore crowd also says people should eat at least two pounds of meat a day, and if that’s the case then maybe that does provide enough sodium. I just can’t seem to eat that much. About 1.5 pounds is what I can eat. The carnivore crowd would say that not eating enough is the cause of my salt trouble.

(Bob M) #29

I don’t know about that. I eat a lot of salt AND can easily eat 2 pounds of meat a day. Easily.

EDIT: I should say that I’m a “sweater”. When I work out in my home “gym”, I’m dripping in sweat. I also take a drug, carvedilol, which has some diuretic effect. Both of these could lead to my needing more salt.

#30

it is one those ‘maybe not really’ when you are truly a longer term person who put in the work on yourself and your healing is more advanced.

NEW people need big meat which can easily supply that sodium but also the plan mentions to use salt and more as required thru adaption times…but you being way more advanced, and you are experiences issues that make ‘ya one of me big salters’ who need it LOL carnivores will chat more appropriately vs. a beginner’s advice kinda deal…just how I see it and how it goes down for most of us carnivores on ‘carnivore only’ forums.

@marklifestyle
I absolutely appreciate your response and I will let Mark come on from here in that I don’t ‘guess’ what a post means but I understand where you are coming from and at this point I am out, but appreciate the solid post back to me :slight_smile:

(Edith) #31

I am, too, but interestingly, once I switched to keto I don’t sweat as much as I used to. I don’t need to use deodorant as much, either. :woman_shrugging:

(Edith) #32

Ya know, that is one of the reasons I left the carnivore Facebook group. I felt like the moderators didn’t allow for people to have different experiences.

#33

you are very right about that, there is small sway to ‘chat more with longer term carnivores’ and what they say but problem is this…when longer term carnivores chat their needs, their changes etc…it is seen by NEWbies and they think it will work for them and there is that new person vs. the older long term person, and I get you totally on that cause at some point, every single longer term carnivore had to walk thru issues and ‘eat meat and drink water’ is never always the answer in full truth…Maybe it is time for me to start a 'new carnivore group on facebook for ‘longer term carnivores’ to chat real crap that goes down on this plan instead of the ‘control’ of others…HMMMM…I don’t know, sounds like too much work but at the same time I agree with you!

(Bob M) #34

I’ve changed to only deodorant, no antiperspirant.

As for sweating…I’m not sure. I think you’re correct about that, but I still have to carry a towel around/have it nearby when I’m exercising. So, I think I sweat less, but it’s still a lot at least by some standards.

And I wonder how much has to do with losing fat? If I’m 50 pounds lighter, I assume that helps?

(Joey) #35

I love my salt. Potential dangers? Ask Lott’s wife…

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(Edith) #36

I’m sure that helps, but I’ve almost always been on the relatively thin and fit side. Before keto, when I exercised, people thought I was going to have a heart attack because I would be so sweaty and red in the face. So, while I still get sweaty, the trigger point I think is a little higher on keto. Well, except for hot flashes. I’m 55. Lol.

@SomeGuy, it wasn’t the salt that caused her the trouble. She just wouldn’t listen! :crazy_face:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #37

Forgive me, but I would like to revise your wording. I would say your appetite should be your guide, not someone else’s. I would say that if you are happy and healthy at your level of food intake, you are getting carnivore right. And I wouldn’t say you have “salt trouble,” you are just different and need to add salt to your food. You may or may not see that changing at some point down the road. As far as I can tell, you are doing fine just as you are. I doubt that any of the carnivores I know would judge you for being yourself.

I belong to a couple of Twelve-Step programmes, and we never tell people what they should do, we only share what worked for us. If anyone tries to should on you, don’t listen, even—or especially—if it’s you. :grin:

(bulkbiker) #38

Really? I can see 7 likes… but anyway… yes I did mean the “vaccines” that are currently being heavily encouraged/almost coerced at the moment.

Sorry you took offence but as with everything here “show me the science” implies that we are open to evidence and not “faith” .

From my extensive reading there are multiple sources showing that the relatively untested therapy is indeed causing problems for quite a few people especially in the clotting, stroke and heart areas. Indeed in the UK stroke awareness ads suddenly re-appeared on the TV at the start of the vax programme.

If you wish to take part in the biggest drug trial in human history then please do do. If you want to have a 3rd jab even after severe side effects from the first two that is your choice. For the time being I’m happy to be in the control group.

(Mark Rhodes) #39

Your comment did little to offend me. That is really hard to do. What I took issue with and do is that this site has decided to not really get into the vaccine debate. PERIOD. Your comment was inappropriate to the conversation and as far as likes that is obviously: first, the fallacy of the majority and second and far more poignant as an admin I can see flags and PM that you cannot.

Your hyperbolic rhetoric is just that. The evidence is far more overwhelming that vaccines work along with some unforeseen consequences that almost any food OR drug will have. To my point a peanut allergy is far more deadly than the vaccine as it affects 1% of the population yet vaccine adverse reactions according to a UK study where you hail from as NINE people of 20 million.

Let us just let this drop. I would ask going forward that your comments be germane to the topic.

(Mark Rhodes) #40

Your comment did little to offend me. That is really hard to do. What I took issue with is that this forum has decided to not really get into the vaccine debate. PERIOD. Your comment was inappropriate to the conversation and as far as likes that is obviously: first, the fallacy of the majority and second and far more poignant as an admin I can see flags and warnings against you that you cannot.

Your hyperbolic rhetoric is just that. Please keep it civil and on topic. I would appreciate that.