Red meat

#1

A friend of mine got prostate cancer. Drs told him ti came from red meat in your diet.

(Megan) #2

Doctors are taught a lot of rubbish, along with all the awesome things they are taught.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #3

Dr. Georgia Ede is a Harvard-trained psychiatrist whose areas of expertise include ketogenic and pre-agricultural diets and food sensitivity syndromes. This is her take on the famous report on meat and cancer, issued by the IARC of the WHO a few years ago:

A lecture on red meat and its value in the diet.:

(Jane) #4

I would ask that doctor for the study that “proved” it and then pick it apart.

My husband and I are both cancer survivors and both were on SAD diets at the time and not particularly heavy in red meat. Compared to now LOL.

We used to enjoy popcorn with real butter drizzled over it and I felt guilty over the butter. We have it maybe once every 3 months and I feel guilty over the corn now LOLOLOL.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #5

I know, right? :rofl::rofl:

#6

Given that red meat causing cancer is BEYOND debunked, sounds like Plant Based Propaganda pushers that happen to have MD after their name.

#7

:clown_face::astonished::rofl:

tell the friend to dtich that Dr fast…believe me if that is something truly believed I would find a better Dr. kinda, well that would be on that one :100::sunglasses::rofl:

(Robin) #8

@trucha… That’s sounds like the first line of a joke.

#9

I hope your friend recovers from the diagnosis and potential disease.

The doctor may be partly correct. But in being partly correct they may also be quite wrong.

It comes down to beliefs and where you source information. And then how that information is interpreted. The key will be what your friend and you believe. As beliefs don’t usually change, even in the face of new and better knowledge. Many people die for their beliefs. That is a philosophical statement, and not meant as political. We could then extrapolate that many people die because of their beliefs.

We can be confident in saying that prostate cancer likely has multiple causes in different combinations. So with that clay foundation we can sculpt any story that we like.

Prostatic enlargement, the phase before prostatic cancer can be regulated by complimentary diet and lifestyle strategies. https://www.prostateprohelp.com/how-to-reduce-prostate-enlargement-with-diet/

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Paleo medicina has some success in managing some cancer types. Worth adding to the reading list. There might be some information about prostatic cancer in there.

#10

So, when did .com websites become right by default? Or when what a psychiatrist thinks of cancer became more relevant than what an oncologist does?

The red meat we eat is full of hormones and what not. Perhaps it isn’t such a wonderful thing after all, if one is already in a weaker state due to fighting a disease and perhaps undergoing chemo, heavy medication, etc.

It always amazes me how people think they know it all, because someone said so on the internet, when we all know everybody can say whatever on the net. It isn’t peer-reviewed anyway.

We have the right to make choices for ourselves and eat all the red meat we want. But should we be giving medical advice?

Even if something worked for us, does it mean it’ll work for someone else? Are we really all the same? Like someone we don’t know anything about, besides the fact he has prostate cancer?

#12

That’s like saying My friend lost his hand, the Dr said its because he owns a knife.

It sounds logical, but it is so dangerous for Drs to make statements like this.
It doesn’t mean that red meat gave him cancer. The same as my friend didnt loose his hand because he owns a knife, it was the lawnmower.

#13

The keto diet eliminates all the foods responsible for prostate enlargement.

You can lead a horse to water but I cant convince this guy otherwise. The only animal protein he eats now after prostate cancer is lean white meat chicken.

The only bad food I do enjoy sometimes is slightly charred meats and crispy chicken skin.

The other thing I now do have a couple extra inches of belly fat I need to lose.

#14

It seems to me you can find anything to support a theory on the internet. Just put it out there. The world is flat. Now go find something on the internet to support it.

#15

Do you mean unbreaded chicken skin? If so, how is “crispy chicken skin” bad?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #16

This notion is questionable, even for feed-lot beef.

Peter Ballerstedt has some interesting statistics about this. He maintains that most criticisms of red meat are propaganda that don’t stand up to the actual data.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #17

Also, we have too many fires in the city we live in. Since the Fire Department is present at all these fires, I think we should cut down on the number of fires by reducing the number of firefighters and fire engines.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #18

Gribenes, yum! :chicken:

#19

Yup. I order pastured chicken skins from my local reseller and cook them for 9-10 minutes in the air fryer for a snack or semi-meal. Just salt and pepper and just awesome. Because it’s essentially fat, only a few are plenty satiating.

(Joey) #20

Ah yes, the LDL theory of coronary artery disease. :+1:

(Robin) #21

I don’t get bogged down in the idea of hormones in meat. I figure my body spent 65 years eating absolute rubbish, I can “live” with some hormones, or whatever else is added in to my very limited array of foods.