Really Wanted to Say Something to the Woman with the Costco Sized Vegetable Oil in Her Cart

#41

Maybe she’d like cheese crackers? You put a tablespoon of some shredded cheese on parchment (not wax!) in the microwave and nuke until golden and not bubbling and melty. 2-4 mins depending on your definition of a tablespoon. I like cheddar cuz it tastes just like a cheezit but looks kinda fancy.

(Nicole Silvia) #42

Well, that’s progress and progress is great! But you don’t need you feel sad for them or look down on them. Plenty of non-keto “fat people” are actually very happy with their lives and are probably great parents too. Just like there are plenty of people who don’t exercise and don’t need a lecture, because they are completely happy and content with their lives without having to exercise. Who are we to judge?

(Nicole Silvia) #43

You say no, then mention clogging her kids arteries. Definitely a serious judgement there.

I’m sure your friends appreciate your concern and hopefully are inspired by you, but just as some people are against keto, you can only hear unsolicited advice so many times before it feels condescending.

I believe your intentions here are good. I personally am not 100% sold that poly-unsaturated fats are the devil at all, since tons of science and experiences show otherwise, but if that is your belief, you aren’t going to change people by judging them.

I don’t think I’m better than anyone else. If I inspired someone by lifestyle or anything else, they will ask me questions and I’m happy to help, but it makes the keto group look bad when we chastise others for their diets.

Some people flat out don’t give a crap about diet or weight loss and go on to lead wonderful lives plump and happy.

(Canadian Beauty) #44

You know I wish I had met a supportive, dynamic person in my fat days who was willing to work with me and encourage me to eat healthier, exercise and lose weight. If they were kind and willing to help me I would have welcomed it.

(Nicole Silvia) #45

Yes, if they were kind and non-judgmental. Otherwise you would have felt ashamed or belittled.

And when you were ready to make that change, you did. We all have different paths and do things when we are ready to.

(Kelly Carlson) #46

I say don’t be so quick to judge.

I have been confronted by people at Costco, Wal-mart, etc for having 25# or 50# bags of sugar in my cart. It happens every time to the point that I am literally on edge the whole time shopping. I usually smile and agree with their “someone’s doing some baking” or “that’s an awful lot of sugar”, a few times I’ve made it a joke about picking up corn next for the mash.

The worst part is: we always feel judged despite the fact it is not for our family to consume. We keep bees. Last summer we had over 25 hives we had to feed to get through the dry, hot, summer.

I agree that there is no polite way to approach a stranger in a grocery store. While your intentions may be good, you have no idea what that person is going through. It’s sort of like having someone try to convert you to their religion.

#47

Nope, fact.

To get back to the point. Here is a mainstream article that talks about vegetable oil is in terms of heart disease https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131111122105.htm, note I picked an article at random as there are many. Yes I know there were so many supporting it years ago. Frankly the GMO and roundup and hexane aspect is enough to put it over for me.

The authors cite a study published earlier this year in February 2013 “… in which the intervention group replaced saturated fat with sources of safflower oil or safflower oil margarine (rich in omega-6 linoleic acid but low in omega-3 α-linoleic acid). They found that the intervention group had serum cholesterol levels that were significantly decreased (by about 8%-13%) relative to baseline and the control group, which is consistent with the health claim.” However, rates of death from all causes of cardiovascular disease and coronary artery disease significantly increased in the treatment group.

As for whether you believe that vegetable seed oil is fine that is up to you and I would be happy to look at any research that says that seed oil made from GMOs (most likely) grown with roundup ppesticides, industrially processed with hexane, vegetable oil, is part of a healthy diet of any type. Here is an article that describes how vegetable oil is made. Please note this excludes expellerpressed oils which are described separately in the article.

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-1/Cooking-Oil.html

After the initial oil has been recovered from the screw press, the oil cake remaining in the press is processed by solvent extraction to attain the maximum yield. A volatile hydrocarbon (most commonly hexane) dissolves the oil out of the oil cake, which is then recovered by [distilling]… In using this machine, flakes of meal are sent through wedge-shaped cells of a cylindrical vessel. The solvent then passes through the matter to be collected at the bottom… The solvent percolates through the matter which is periodically dumped and replaced.

Removing solvent traces

  • 5 Ninety percent of the solvent remaining in the extracted oil simply evaporates, and, as it does, it is collected for reuse. The rest is retrieved with the use of a stripping column. The oil is boiled by steam, and the lighter hexane floats upward. As it condenses, it, too, is collected.

Refining the oil

  • 6 The oil is next refined to remove color, odor, and bitterness. Refining consists of heating the oil to between 107 and 188 degrees Fahrenheit (40 and 85 degrees Celsius) and mixing an alkaline substance such as sodium hydroxide or sodium carbonate with it. Soap forms from the undesired fatty acids and the alkaline additive, and it is usually removed by centrifuge. The oil is further washed to remove traces of soap and then dried.
  • 7 Oils are also degummed at this time by treating them with water heated to between 188 and 206 degrees Fahrenheit (85 and 95 degrees Celsius), steam, or water with acid. The gums, most of which are phosphatides, precipitate out, and the dregs are removed by centrifuge.
  • 8 Oil that will be heated (for use in cooking) is then bleached by filtering it through fuller’s earth…

Read more: http://www.madehow.com/Volume-1/Cooking-Oil.html#ixzz5ROGYza4h

Of course not! that is why this is a hypothetical thread. I would not actually go up to a stranger and start discussing cooking oil unless I was being paid to do it.
Your post reminds me of my very quick witted dark haired sister in law who was quite pregnant with #2 while her tow headed 1 year old was playing at her feet. They were on vacation and some very fancily dressed people walked by, admired #1 and then asked, is your husband blond? To which she replied, no but my boyfriend is!

No reason to feel judged and this woman had no idea I even existed so she certainly did not feel judged by me

(Running from stupidity) #48

You seem to have misspelled “exactly.”

(Wendy) #49

My bad! Big Fat Surprise is the book. So sorry!

(Frank) #50

I’ll start being more judgmental when my health insurance premiums start skyrocketing. Uhhhh I guess that started quite a while ago didn’t it? Seriously though, I’m much more judgmental towards the aha and ada which continue to push dietary guidelines which make us sick unwittingly. I was asked at the grocery store today if I would donate to the ada. I told the checkout dude that I’ll do that when they start giving good advice and stop making us sick or prevent us from getting better. He looked at me like I had three heads. As a side note, this young guy looked like he could use some help but I refrained. Unless he either finds help or someone guides him, he will undoubtedly be one of the many young folks who will die before their parents will. Just look at the obituaries lately. 90, 85, 92, 45, 78, 52, 87.

(Wendy) #51

Oh I agree, I just think it’s funny that some people show concern about my current diet but could have cared less about how I was eating. That is all I meant.
I of course would have thought most people rude had they made a comment pre keto. Now I just think of them as deceived or at least uninformed when they warn me about eating too much fat/meat or not enough “healthy” carbs.

(Jane) #52

Thanks! I added it to my Audible Wish List and will get it next month with my new credit.

(Wendy) #53

I just finished the Audio. I found it an easy listen but will definetly listen again. Same with Good Calorie, Bad Calorie, by Gary Taubes.

(Carissa JB) #54

Your post helped me! I have only been on keto since July and on this forum for 10 days so I have a lot to learn. I won’t be buying soy oil anymore.

#55

I find myself checking people’s carts in the grocery store since I’ve been keto. I look and I see all the carby things they have and I think, that was me 3 months ago! I do tend to avoid Costco because I’m single and have no need for giant-sized anything. When my mom was alive, we used to go together and split things - chicken, fruits, veggies, but she’s passed on so I let my card expire. I don’t see anything wrong with looking at someone else’s grocery items and having thoughts about them. If it’s judgement, oh well. That’s also part of human nature.

#56

I can and do judge anyone and everyone. I tend to keep my judgements to myself, however.

(Running from stupidity) #57

Same, except for the last bit. But you’re a woodeater, so…

#58

Actually, I’m straight.

(Jane) #59

:laughing:

(Canadian Beauty) #60

Not sure why you are putting words in my mouth per se. I didn’t say that at all.