Protein in pork skins?


#8

Agreed. Even though pork rinds do not contain the complete complement of essential amino acids as pointed out, amino acids such as leucine are insulogenic and not counting this as a source of protein would overlook certain metabolic effects.

Another point is that pork rinds are reportedly providing collagen, and they’re much tastier than the collagen powder I bought. :slight_smile:


(Richard Morris) #9

Incomplete proteins are still protein. But you can’t rely upon them to provide your minimum daily requirements of protein. The may not contain your daily requirement of the 9 essential amino acids, and they could tip your available (labile) protein pool heavily away from non-essential amino acids that you then need to manufacture.

In other words you can’t rely on eating 1-1.5g/kg LBM of pork rinds and consider that your nutritional needs were met that day. But pork rinds dusted muscle meat may be healthier for you than muscle meat alone thanks to the glycine to balance out the methionine in muscle meat.


#10

Agreed, I don’t think that incomplete proteins such as pork rinds should be considered when calculations are for supporting LBM, but definitely part of the calculation used for how it affects insulin - (carb grams + (0.5 * protein grams)). I was also pointing out that some amino acids such as leucine have a metabolic effect even when taken in isolation.


#11

Yes, there are typically 4 servings in a snack-sized bag, which would quickly add up to half my daily protein. Just because it is incomplete in the bag, does not make it incomplete after you eat it with another protein source that contains complementary amino acids.

Some of the brands I’ve seen list protein as <1g. I’m not sure if this is inaccurate labeling or the skins are mostly pork fat in them.


#12

I would guess inaccurate labelling.


(Steven) #13

So. Don’t count the protein? Lol. Sorry confused


#14

You should always count the protein grams and the calories from the protein in pork rinds, but if you are ingesting protein for muscle-building purposes, it doesn’t contain all the essential amino acids, so consider it a “broken” protein and don’t expect it to help you build muscle.

It’s a little more complicated, because the protein in pork rinds will help you rebuild connective tissue like collagen, but most people are much more concerned about muscle.


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#16

I agree you should count the protein grams, but it may also be beneficial.


#17

Thank you for the link. :smile:

And I agree with you that incomplete proteins like pork skins/rinds that are high in glycine may be beneficial which is why I have some sitting on my shelf right now and love the pork rind pancakes. :wink:

I’m just going to be cautious when recommending an incomplete protein because the applicability is more specific than recommending a complete protein.


#18

BillJay is making a very good point. Certainly, counting the protein in pork rinds is necessary when tracking total macros, but not all the protein in your daily diet should come from pork rinds…it’s not a complete protein spectrum.

Many years ago, there used to be a liquid protein diet, based on gelatin protein, which made a lot of people sick (and some died, too). Getting incomplete protein in your diet will lead to serious health problems if eating this way for an extended period of time.


(Troy) #19

Could not figure this out. Lol

Had a 3oz bag of Mac brand pork rinds ( movie treat )
Checked MFP ounce I logged it

I could NOT figure out why protein was so high…macros out of whack
Then I noticed the protein for a bag was about 54 or 56g of protein😢

Yeah, I understand they are not a “ complete protein “
Still frustrating that they are so high. For counting macros

And yes, this was not my main source of protein for the day or any other day as a matter of fact


(Richard Morris) #20

I would not count pork skins as protein for the sake of meeting your required protein intake. But if you are calorie counting they do of course, count. One thing worth considering is that pork skins, all skins are a source of glycine. Which I have found that I may have been conditionally deficient in.


(Chris W) #21

I do count the protein in pork rinds towards my numbers, but I have my protein target set somewhat high at 1.6-1.8 g/kg LBM in the context of a ZC keto diet and fairly intense exercise 3x per week, so I still get plenty of complete protein. The collagen in pork rinds is said to be a good nutritional complement to muscle meat. In general, I include about 33g of pork rinds in my diet most days, which constitutes about 16g of my 130-140g protein target.


(Ken) #22

Mmmm. Barbeque pork rind dipped into spinach chip dip. The only thing that could make it better would be to wrap it in bacon…


(Troy) #23

Great info. Thanks


(Candy Lind) #24

Dang, I learn SO MUCH here! :heart_eyes:


(Stephen Muenstermann) #25

I Agree with Richard. When I did Keto over a year ago I was on it for 3 months and found that Pork Rinds had no effect to my program as a snack. I ate a 3 ounce Baken-ets bag almost daily as a evening snack. I lost 38 lbs in 90 days. If I would have counted the Pork Rinds as protein I would have cut back on my protein intake elsewhere and lost some serious muscle mass.


(Vic) #26

I am confused why would you not count it, Would one not count the protein from vegetables?

I mean most of us are eating meat daily, would that not complete the proteins like with vegetables?


#27

Plant protein was my thought too… That’s not complete either but it is protein…

It’s good I don’t need to worry about these things as I eat plenty of good animal protein. And sometimes 100g plant protein (obviously not from vegetables). Well, an ocassional day doesn’t really matter anyway but I had times when I got a significant amount of protein from plants on keto. I still had a lot from animals and I was high enough… It would be pretty stressful (and impossible for me) to focus on everything at once.

I know just a little about completing proteins, I could a bit advise some newbie not knowledgeable vegan who could afford more carbs… Not useful information for me. I never even heard about completing protein where the “participants” aren’t plants…