Planning a massive unhealthy Christmas carb up

(G. Andrew Duthie) #21

Where do you find support for this? Have some studies you can cite?

(Felix) #22

Yeah, I tried this on Thursday, yesterday. Xmas staff luncheon, Chinese food. Not my choice! But I used to love it, maybe just this special occasion would be ok?

Ate some highly sugared and breaded meats, on rice. Then came nasty sugar rush, nausea, blood sugar plunge two hours later, unusually hungry but still nauseated 4 hours later. But the icing on the cake? A massive migraine the next day, today. 12 hours of it.

The lunch wasn’t worth any of that! (But how to get through a shared Chinese meal at a typical North American style place is a mystery. There was probably something on the menu, but i didn’t spot it.)

Resumed keto choices, getting better.

(Dan Dan) #23

Indulgence days are a fact of life they are few and we should not fear nor regret them but fully enjoy and embrace them :heart_eyes:

It still amazes me that a one/two day indulgence on the weekend or holiday followed by a 48hr fast and IF(OMAD) for the rest of the week I end up with weight loss and feeling energized :star_struck::thinking:

IF/EF Keto WOE gives us the tools we need :innocent:

“May the Force (fat adaption) be with you”

IF/EF Keto WOE is Self-Discovery :wink:

Good luck and much success in your journey in IF/EF Keto WOE :grin:

(Allie) #24

I’ll stick with my “unhealthy” being keto constantly as it has worked just fine for the last 2.5 years and I don’t struggle at all. Carbs make me feel crap, no temporary pleasure, aka food, is worth that feeling especially when there are so many safe options.

(Richard Morris) #25

Depends on your metabolism. If you are quite insulin sensitive, you have more metabolic flexibility. You might feel awful for a day, and a day or so of fasting you’ll be back to feeling great again.

If you are quite insulin resistant, you are not able to transition well between fuels - in that case you can expect that wrenching your steering wheel toward fueling on glucose will derange your “vehicle” for longer. You could feel awful for a week, and have to fast several days to get back into the keto groove.

Either way the longer you are eating sugar and starch, the more you unwind your fat adaptation until about a week of eating normal food you are back to square one.

Actually that is backasswards, the less glucose you eat the more vitamin C can get into your cells - but fueling on glucose itself does not set up a requirement for vitamin
C and vitamin C does not do anything to ameliorate the effect of a fat adapted person wrenching their metabolism suddenly to using glucose.

Water will speed absorption, so this is really not good advice.

It important to know that you can choose to go off the reservation at any point and there will be consequences. And I think it’s probably a good thing for most people to try it one time and learn about their own personal reaction. I did once for a friends wedding 
 and suffered the sudden return of inflammation related aches and pains that stopped me sleeping for 24 hours.

I’m keto all the time and I have never been healthier in my life - all of my biomarkers of cardiovascular risk, glycostasis, fitness are way better than they were when I ate carbs for a living. The only one that is not is my fasting insulin which is 1/10th of what it was when I was really sick, and over time trending healthier.

So I don’t know WTF you are talking about.

Keto is a fasting mimetic diet, that’s the point. Many of the benefits of fasting, but with none of the starvation.

You liver makes glucose even when you are living on pasta and bread. During the night when you aren’t shipping in glucose via your gut you are releasing it from your liver stores and replenishing them with GNG.

Gluconeogenesis is precisely how a ketogenic diet is the best possible diet for most diabetics - they have an impaired feedback response to HIGH GLUCOSE - either they can’t make glucose or they make so much the rest of the cells in their bodies have their metaphoric fingers in their ears going “LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOUR INSULIN”. But we (diabetics) DO have a feedback mechanism that can correct LOW GLUCOSE - making the stuff.

(Allan L) #26

I absolutely totally disagree with this statement! Where is the science behind this? Why do you consider it unhealthy to be keto all the time?

I have intentionally stopped Keto for ONE meal and the negative effects lasted 2 weeks. My asthma returned, my acid reflux, I felt like hell for 3 days and it took over TWO weeks for me to feel healthy again and get back into ketosis. Stopping Keto once a week would be a health disaster for me.

(Allan L) #27

Laughing out loud. I can confirm that the one time I did eat a non-keto meal this actually happened. :slight_smile:

(Allan L) #28

again, I disagree. You could be fine, you could just feel a little different. But the other extreme is you could react very negatively to the food. You could suffer from acute diarrhoea and it could take you weeks to recover and feel the benefits you now feel from Keto.

Its just not worth it, rather plan to eat delicious keto food!

I originally planned to eat a carby Christmas meal when I first started Keto in June, but since I experienced all the fantastic health gain and the negative way my body reacted when I ate 1 non-keto meal I have now, with VERY LITTLE EFFORT, changed the menu to total keto!

(G. Andrew Duthie) #29

My go-to is beef with broccoli, ask them for no corn starch in the sauce. Most will accommodate.

(*Rusty* Instagram: @Rustyk61) #30

For anyone that was offended by my post. Lighten up
it was a joke.

(Keto in Katy) #31

This is not the place to post nonsense like this.

(Brian) #32

People are so different from one individual to another that a discussion like this is kinda reaching into an unknown area.

Seriously, having a high carb meal for one of us might be a total non-event where having a high carb meal for another one of us might be a major health catastrophe.

I would hope that the person contemplating their “unhealthy Christmas carb up” is at least familiar with the kinds of effects that such a meal (or meals) will have upon them personally. I think most of us figure that out over time.

I’m one of the lucky ones that doesn’t experience huge negatives eating a higher carb meal. But then again, I’m not hitting up the potato chips, the Mountain Dew, the KrispyKreme doughnuts, or the never ending pasta bowl. Typically, I’m having a serving of sweet potato, or green lima beans or maybe a piece of real fruit. I just don’t eat the really crazy stuff, at all. I don’t know if that makes any difference or not. Maybe if I ate the worst of the junk and enough of it, I’d feel like crap, too. I don’t plan to find out. I didn’t want to eat that way even when I was convinced I should run on carbs, I don’t want to eat that way now.

(Ken) #33

It’s not so much that it’s unhealthy to be in lipolysis (keto) all the time, but that it’s NOT unhealthy to eat carbs on an occasional or periodic basis. When following a lipolytic pattern, switching to carbs in the form of a meal, or even a day or so will not flip you back into a lipogenic, fat storing secretion pattern. The body simply doesn’t respond that fast. A lipogenic readaptation really requires a fairly long period of chronic glycogen overcompensation for that to happen. After doing a few recompensations, it’s easy to figure out which carbs work for you, or just understand what the effects will be and live with the temporary discomfort.

(VLC.MD) #34

Are you purposely anonymous ?
5c42cb62e5c022d313b2 Is a lotta characters :slight_smile:

#35

I agree. I was going to suggest that. If you are fairly insulin sensitive, any non breaded meat and vegetable entree should be ok in limited quantities. At fancy places the ahi Tuna without rice is good. Although I avoid Chinese food if possible, I have eaten there a couple of times in the last 6 months. I do not eat the rice, eat chicken satay and if possible ask for gluten free as wheat does not agree with me. PF Chang’s has a gluten free menu available

It will kick me out of ketosis but I am not that heavily into ketosis usually anyway as I eat too many nuts

(KCKO, KCFO đŸ„„) #36

Too bad we can’t give more than one heart. This is so very true.

#37

The problem for me on my moderate carb diet was that I found too many reasons to indulge. Some were really stupid reasons and it derailed my diet. When I did indulge in October I did look forward to it for a number of days and it did cure me of wanting to do it anytime soon again!

(Jane Reed) #38

Re. the OP’s desire for flexibility
you are a free agent. This way of eating isn’t a prison sentence nor a binding contract. You may eat anything you like; you need only face the consequences. Perhaps an experiment with a serious carb-up is just what you need to see what happens to you.

If you are very lucky, the immediate repercussions will be minor. But, even in that case, you will set yourself back in terms of fat loss or health repair. Is that worth it to you to find out?

Most of us do a little experimentation. Let us know how you fare.

(Consensus is Politics) #39

Actually, I’d disagree. It’s not nonsense. If he really thinks that, he should say so. But he should fully be expected to bring the science behind it, because I guarantee there will be science coming at him to support just how healthy it is to be Keto 100% of the time.

There is no downside to Keto, with the exception of how crappy you feel when you go back to eating carbage.

(VLC.MD) #40

Everything has a tradeoff, by definition.
All great strengths have weaknesses.
It’s like a mathematical law.