PKD measurements paleo ketogenic diet liver and marrow


#1

Hello, I finally think I understand the meat measurements for PKD but need some clarification on the organ/liver part.

  1. Is it 400g of liver per week?
  2. Is the liver to be included in your overall 400g of meat/fat per day?
  3. Is it 200g of bone marrow per week?
  4. How is it possible to measure bone marrow when it just melts out of the bone?
  5. Do you roast bone marrow or cook it in meat broth?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

Welcome to the Forums!

I don’t know Palaeo Medicina’s protocol, but 400 g/15 oz. of liver a week sounds like a lot. That much a month sounds about right–to me anyway. And I can’t imagine eating that much liver plus another equivalent amount of meat in one day. (Well, on carnivore that would be easy, but not on palaeo.)

I share your questions about bone marrow. Sometimes you can get it out of the bones when eating the meet, but my preferred way is to simmer the cracked bones for 24 hours, till they start to dissolve, and then get the marrow from drinking the broth. Also, 200 g of bone marrow per week seems like a lot.

If it were me, I’d just go with what feels right and not worry about it.


#3

According to this old thread, your numbers are correct - 400g of liver per week and either 200g of brain or 200g marrow per week. Maybe you‘ll find some information on the marrow preparation in that thread as well?

I‘m not sure if and how the PKD has changed in recent years, I remember reading something about being allowed to eat more than 400g, however, I couldn‘t find any information on that and the ICMNI website is not very helpful (because they probably want you to actually book an appointment with them rather than give you all the information for free, which is understandable). Zsofia Clemens has appeared on a number of youtube videos, talking about the PKD, you might find more up-to-date information there.


(Michael) #4

If you put your bone into the oven for a few minutes (varies somewhat, but like 5?) and then take it out, it melts from the outside in such that it can melt at the contact with the bone first, allowing you to then slide or spoon it out of the bone without much melting anything but a thin outer layer. If possible I eat my bone marrow cold, or at most heated enough to separate from the bone. Marrow goes into stomach, bone into bone bag for bone broth another day.


#5

This is an excellent tip, thank you!


(Paul ) #6

I have learnt the diet through paying them for my other half’s autoimmune.it takes few weeks for me to adapt to the fat,a few months my other half(but she was ill),we both eat 60g of beef liver a day.THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF ILL,IT WORKS,but it’s hard to start and hard till your body adapts to fat.to stay in theraputic ketosis we both eat about 250 grams been a day and 60 grams liver,usually over 2 meals and 40 to 50 grams bone marrow ,split between the 2 meals.you can’t really judge till you have stuck to it,i was well to start with but now feel like 18,ime 55.my other half was seriously ill,still recovering but bloods and autoimmune under control after 3 month.Having met and working with them through paying them,once u can Do it yourself you can,but they are there if needed,I sign up for blood tests from time to time.A point of note I feel much better on the smaller amount protein and higher fat,I was knocked out with excessive protein,we are all slightly different.If your ill excessive protein will not help.I amgiving an


(Paul ) #7

I have been following this diet ,exactly as zsofia says,as we signed up through thier website.it works my other half has terrible,numerous autoimmune issues.its hard at 1st for your body to adapt to so much fat,myself healthy took a month,my other half ill 3 months,it’s not easy at 1st!.the rewards are great if you stick to it.I Beleve they are right,as I feel better now on less protein higher fat,my other half’s autoimmune,bloods all going normal,and off meds.The truth is,it’s a very hard process to adapt your body to this way of eating,we eat 60g liver a day each,but the results speak for themselves.I suspect many give up before the rewards…BuT my advice you need to stick to it for 6 months at least and take it from there.