PBS show on Obesity

#41

If only. I’m on my third doctor in just a year. The first two were horrified by even the thought of someone doing keto. The one I have now ignores the subject. He did say to keep doing what I’m doing without using that four letter word “keto”.

(J Nieuwland) #42

Ah I feel you on the hopelessness part! It’s frustrating seeing my own family struggling with arthritis, while Keto/carnivore is the ideal solution (and a million other things)

How do you deal with such feelings when doctors don’t support a REALLY healthy lifestyle?

(Robin) #43

I never say keto to a doctor. I say I have cut out sugars and processed food. They applaud that! LOL!

(Eric) #44

I take a more extreme approach and just don’t go to the doctor at all. Unless I have a broken bone or a serious ailment that might need antibiotics I don’t take advantage of my insurance.

Got tired of useless advice and pills that made me feel terrible. Being told move more, eat less to address being overweight felt increasingly like a slap in the face.

If I have to talk to my GP, who I have never met, I will definitely use something like no sugar and processed foods and leave it at that. No need to mention the Keto word based on so many stories of unsupportive docs.

#45

I’m not blaming the victims. I’m blaming the doctors making money off it without first checking to see if the patient can stay on a diet for six months. If they can’t, the surgery isn’t going to have a permanent good effect. But it has plenty of awful ones.

#46

This is the solution I’ve come up with. Especially now that you can order your own blood work online! I’ll be doing that every five years.

I’ve had one truly good doctor in my life, a specialist, and a lot who have done me a whole lot of harm. The average ones don’t listen at all, and I’ve had them call me a liar. That I ever paid for that abuse now shocks me.

Broken femur or pulsing arterial blood from a chainsaw accident? Okay, I’m going to the ER. Broke a tooth and it hurts? Going to the dentist. Regular primary care doctor? I think not. I’m healthy and I need to protect my health from the depredations of the insurance/pharma/medical industrial complex insofar as I can.

When I hear the average retired American is on 4 meds, I roll my eyes. I bet most of them could quit 3 and end up healthier. $350 billion a year spent on drugs. It’s why it’s a) smart not to take them unless it’s truly lifesaving, and b) smart to invest in a pharma stock fund, cuz they’re raking it in.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #47

Hey, you’re giving up sugar, grains, starches, and processed foods. Who could argue with that?

#48

Well, keto is super strict to many people, I get it. I couldn’t physically go keto right out of high-carb either, I felt awful. Let’s try low-carb then, at least as a first step… It was very good to me, well I was quite healthy on high-carb too but it’s not the point. Just because one can’t go below 20g carbs, they don’t need to eat various high-carb items reaching exactly 150-160g carbs in a specific pattern for 5 meals, it’s the diabetes diet here.

I honestly think most desserts are fated to be low-carb. Some (like my top fav cake I didn’t even see in the last I don’t remember how many years as it’s so easy to live without it) aren’t like that but very many are. But probably not everyone thinks that just getting out the carbs makes things immediately better… I usually do. Carbs usually just dilute the flavor.
And when you wrote pie, I immediately thought of meat pies. I am good (and a bit meat obsessed in the last few days. and got bored of cakes years ago on keto as I ate them ALL the time - or at least very very often and in big amounts as I had to keep my carbs low, okay? :slight_smile: - and it got old. the desire never came back).
We can change a lot. And a normal person (IMO) should DO a lot for health. I am a hedonist and eating good food is important to me - but health trumps everything. I would do sacrifices for health! And doing keto most of the time (I am not good with 100% and I don’t need it)? That’s not even a small sacrifice.
Why some people can’t even TRY for their precious and already fragile health? I didn’t wait for problems to make changes and it makes perfect sense to me.

I understand there may be factors I can’t even think about it, it’s not easy or hard to the same extent to everyone - but trying to do something for our own health… It seems very many people are very bad at it.

We healthy people can do it. I only go to a doctor if I break something (but I won’t do it again if it’s up to me, one break and one crack was enough for life!). I don’t even ever had a doctor.
For not healthy people it may be a bit risky but it depends, of course. Considering what I heard about doctors, I can understand if someone has enough and if they can pull it off without one, they never go to them.

If I had a doctor, I still wouldn’t need to talk about my woe with them I suppose. But if they would ask, I probably would say “I do my best to avoid plants most of the time as this is the best to me”. “Keto” isn’t informative enough. I can protect my woe just fine and I ignored doctors all my life and said no to them (and run away, usually) so honesty sounds good to me - and honestly, I couldn’t resist. But I understand not everyone is like that, of course we are different.

IDK how much are needed but so many people in so many countries just want pills, it’s often said about people in my country… Heaven forbid they would DO something for their health. It’s the pills’ job. But it’s said they often want pills for the tiniest temporal things too.
I am the opposite, I hate pills. Good thing I don’t need them. I couldn’t even take vitamin C, I am bad with taking things. I eat and put a lot of effort into eating right.

Once I met a vegan who was totally shocked I don’t eat the awesome, apparently sacred grains… I really did a number on poor one. They handled even the few animal corpses in my life better.

#49

ohhh cool, I kinda mistook how I read your post.
all good!!!

(Marianne) #50

My experience, too, although I have kept my doctors, mainly because I don’t have any hope of finding one who understands and supports keto. As you say, it’s much better all around if I don’t get into it with them. When they bring up my cholesterol, as they always do, I just mention my favorable HDL and tell them that I’d like to work on it myself before signing up to take a statin.

(Marianne) #51

I don’t have as much faith in humanity as you do. I think humans as a species are very violent, warring creatures by nature. The extraterrestrials think we are nuts. :wink:

#52

:ok_hand::100::clown_face:

@gingersmommy, me too. agree with you on this one, :face_with_raised_eyebrow: we are nothing but the animals on the planet literally.
lion eats its prey
smaller predators eat its prey
some are prey only and meant to function as that and we as humans, we are 0 different…we just thru a ‘society of smarter ass beings’ on top of nature and are proceeding to truly wreck an entire planet thru a short timeline in the universe… ‘geez, look how we are’ now…we are the worst on the entire planet :skull_and_crossbones: but yet we ‘always feel’ we can correct our natural primal animal side…nope. we see and live it every single day. :exploding_head: Hindsight would not ‘fix’ anything ever. It isn’t in our nature to do just that. tough realizations on us as an animal with brains to me.

(Marianne) #53

Obesity is in my family and friends. No one in my family is interested in doing keto and think I am actually doing harm to my body. I’ve never felt better in my life and have kept my weight stable without effort for 3.5 years. One friend (and her daughter), who is morbidly obese and T2D, has never asked me about keto or wanted to know about it. I saw her son recently and was aghast at how huge he had become. It’s every where I look. I just feel so bad for people. They don’t even eat real food (!), but we’re the ones who are crazy.

#54

I really think we all have a private walk on what is enough. Some never find it but me and you and millions others are seeing it and correcting it.
It truly IS such a personal journey and who we are in what mental state as we fail or add growth to our lives.

it really IS SO hard to see. Just from the entire population to our literal immediate families. I know. I feel ya on this. But in the end only that person can wanna grow or not thru their own personal demons and life path.

I know I had to see it that way and to me now, those who want it and CAN tackle forward growth over diversity will get changes. Some will never and again, nature has a monster play in just this from our life from day 1 and environment around us and the help some can get, yet, some draw deep down and find a way out and above.

I guess in a way it still boils down to ‘eat or be eaten’ on this globe.

tough stuff to handle for alot of us when we who grow can’t see any want of growth for others which we hold so close as family.

again just chat on how I have to deal too and what we can expect from life and how we ‘take it on’ I guess from our own personalities in a way

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #55

Gary Taubes says he met a fan of his books who lost quite a bit of weight on keto. She said everyone tells her she’s killing herself, but she just replies, “Where were you when I was eating all those doughnuts? They were what was killing me!” or words to that effect.

#56

yup. can’t agree more when I was told I lost too much weight and ‘looked like a big head’ on a skinny body.

now damn what ya think that did TO ME as a dieting obsessed insane maniac I was in my dieting journey.

One small sentence. Some small words that cut SO deep.

AND I SO agree that I DO ME now and I have to say any extra means 0 from me on judgement and comments and more. I AM SO done with that BS in my life.

I guess older now, alot older LOL I find I can’t even give that stuff any weight in my brain. Well I think my eating changes fortified me against the naysayers and the jealous and overlyopinioned whatevers in my life.

I say tough noogies to all ya know HA

not many are out to help another cause that human animal side kicks in and those that support you 100, they are there and we know it, and in one simple few words we truly find those that don’t and won’t ever!! Pick how you wanna roll forward and drop all the other useless baggage and live fully as you want!

#57

I probably would make big eyes (I already have big ones :D) to anyone telling me keto is bad for me and I should stop… How on Earth would I eat then…? Non-keto isn’t sustainable for me at all. I go off a lot, yes but I never can stay off for long, the carbs (on low-carb!) just add up and it’s not good - and they get boring too. I don’t have the willpower (among other thing) to stay off keto, sorry :smiley: My body and mind just can’t let me…
And I am a hedonist. If other people may eat whatever they fancy, why can’t I? :pleading_face:

And on my normal, good days I look at my plate and totally fail to see anything wrong with it. My main items are even culturally and traditionally proper. Not like that would interest me but they are.

People are weird, I always say. I never understood this “keto isn’t for long term” thing, I just couldn’t go back to mere low-carb. I only could do short visits. If it would be a carbier apocalypse, I would make efforts to rebuild the burned down bridges but without it…

Doctors and everyone else should look at the individual anyway. I have my own experiences. They clearly show what is good for me so why would I be interested in some misguided opinion about keto in general? It’s not even right in general let alone in my personal case.

I would have so many things to say. But no one really argued when I talked about keto and I couldn’t do it about carnivore as I became a too big hermit and I don’t talk to people. My family is very tolerant, I don’t even get slight criticism there. I eat the way I want. Humankind is still not very developed but at least I have this freedom now and here. I often think about it. Imagine someone suffering and possibly dying from the right diet because there is ZERO other option. Sad. We are so lucky we can choose. There are hardships but we usually can.

#58

I kept my mouth well and truly zipped about my WOE in hospital. And I have to say I found it ironic in a very sad way that a significant number of the nursing staff and cardiology consultants were truly obese.

#59

well remember also you are in peril. YOU ARE IN THERE and needing medical help. As much as we can think, hmmm, we have to remember WE COUNT on our health saving issues ya know.

To think too much past you shows signs you have massive empathy on the industry but darn girl, cut your azz a darn big break on it all ya know.

Sometimes you take center stage and it must be that way.

It is why I say ‘let it go’ and as you heal and change you can effect change later if that becomes ‘something to you’ and you address that issue in that industry, but without your forward health issues handled, could that even happen? It can’t be all as you need to recover thru your own health!

You stop! :100::clown_face:

You take care of you point blank now! :ok_hand:

It is ok to wonder but at what risk do we harm ourselves also.
self love, self preservation to do wonders in our forward paths.

Time for you and your healing you require, there is never a darn thing ever wrong with just that!

(J Nieuwland) #60

It’s totally insane. I guess we’ll just have to wait it out until we’re the grandparents who can actually do stuff with their grandchildren, and they’re the ones being unable to walk to the fridge or something :flushed: