September went longer than predicted.
The grass is growing here while the ripe fruits and fatty meats are falling in other places.
Things feel like they are changing. Are you changing? Are you changing plans? Or are plans changing you?
This should be interesting.
There is a sniff of summer in the air. Things are in motion down here. The sunnier weather and perfumes of Spring encourage a body to get moving. Maybe a carnivore diet is too heavy for a creature that wants to dance? The Sea Shepherd (many are vegans) activists are suggesting we donāt eat fish. How long would it take you to eat a whole sheep? Maybe 31 days. It seems that we still have more questions than answers. How is AI going to affect things? Especially if we are getting nutrition tips from social media.
Breakfast was 3 strips of middle bacon deep fried in beef tallow, then a flash fried 4 chook egg omelette with Jarlsberg cheese. A coffee with cream and some electrolyte supplements.
Iāve found on work days that having a morning breakfast before I start a day of work, of 6 hours of lecturing to college/university students is the best way to approach things. It is a stress response, I know. If I was free and out in the wild with my time as my own I would not breakfast until after noon, when hunger guides me.
Actually, the grass is growing here too, I see fresh lovely tiny ones everywhere. The drought killed most of them but after the rain they revived! And my sowed seeds came out too, they are adorable, hopefully will provide some raw vegs for Alvaro in hard times when everything at the greengroceryās will be too expensive even for him (because vegs are too expensive for me about all the time, price/value is quite low from my viewpoint. unless value is joy and I happen to want it but itās not what normally happens).
And we have 10 hours of bright sunshine every dayā¦ Wow. Tomorrow will be rainy, forecast says. After the second round of rain, mushrooms came out too so we will collect some in the lovely wildlife park soon. Those are nice times, my longest local walks. The foliage is still quite green but not for long. Our apricot tree already lost a lot of yellow-reddish leaves, it is always the first one, by far but it blossoms too early too when there is frequent frost. In orchards people lit fires for them for warmthā¦
This is gardening, not plant food (or not for me but I didnāt even mention the species I grow for Alvaro now) so itās quite fine I suppose 
By the way gardening, I planted some tulip and other bulbs today! And cut a pretty big tulip bulb into two with my shovel at some point. I had no idea there were tulips at that place, I donāt think I saw any there everā¦ I put my mini gladiolus bulbs there and they didnāt came out but they were really tiny, the big ones made them last year. The big ones still have green leaves so I suppose I will take them out later. Thatās the problem with that flower, they canāt stand cold winters but I donāt have too many, I can handle the word for the totally beautiful multicolor flowers. They were wonderful this year! I start to realize where to plant them. My garden is problematic, lots of too shadowy areas, little place to put anything newā¦
The leanders grew too big and the bigger one was in the way in winter so much last time that they will stay outside. They survive normal winter days, only the very cold times we get rarely are too much for them but maybe we can bring them in then, just for 1-2 weeks.
Oh and the other part. The ripe fruits are mostly done here (at least the ones with the ability to tempt me when I made my mind), thatās why I dare to try a carni October to begin with. The next fruit challenge will be in December, near Christmas. Letās forget about fruits until now. (Will I be able to? I mean, to the point that I wonāt want to eat any, obviously I will think about them, we even have seasons left so a tiny work will be done to them.)
So, first day! I try to be really good, no coffee, no lunch unless I am really hungry, simplicity, little dairyā¦ I will track again but it should be easy (and inaccurate as always but it mostly concerns the fat intake).
I only have some leftover pork shoulder and 2 frozen slabs of green ham at the moment. It will be fine 
Yesterday I ate so little (as far as I can tell. itās not like I did any tracking) and it was enough, I had that a lot lately, odd. Of course I am still 80kg but maybe it will change this month. Itās really my goal now, I am more serious than usual.
I am a bit hungry despite itās still very early (2pm) but I was a bit hungry after midnight and this time I didnāt eat and yesterday was probably low-calā¦ So itās fine. I donāt think I will need much food today even with 2 meals. I am looking forward to days when I donāt get hungry at lunchtime. Itās uncomfortable for me to eat lunch and dinner at the time when Alvaro does as they have like 2 hours between them (it varies) and itās too little even for me. Of course I could eat way later but if I had lunch, I canāt resist dinner at dinnertime. Resistance is loads easier when I am well-fasted (unless I am really hungry) except I am very used to lunch so it has a special charm. But if I have already made up my mind about it, I easily skip it as I am fine without food for a while more.
I try not to go this deep in the future. I just have an extra focus and extra thinking in this first dayā¦ I got much farther from food lately, I want to keep most of that.
Nope. Carnivore is the lightest diet I can imagine anywayā¦ Carbs can bring us down more, at least me, only in excessive amounts I donāt do them anymore thoughā¦
Light always was such a strange word when it came to food. To me, something is light if I feel light after eating it. So, fatty animal protein. Other things work too if the amount is tiny but I get hungry then. A big meal may lower my energy level but may not and carbs are worse there.
I totally can agree with it for some overfished speciesā¦ Not in general. Though my fish consumption is minimal but I wonāt start my lament over seafood here again.
My freezer is well stocked but I try to cook certain items right away when I buy some. I started it with chicken but my freezer have a ton of organs since weeks too. If I buy liver and heart for a stew, I should cook it right away. And maybe pork liver will be nicer without freezing it firstā¦ It doesnāt lose āall the waterā as a dramatic recipe said, only some but still, it may need it
I may need new liver recipes, I usually just fry itā¦ And itās okay but it can be a bit too overwhelming, liver flavor is okay but strong. Except when itās something like rabbit. Rabbit flesh may be similar to chicken (especially their breasts. I strongly dislike both due to their texture. it can be made edible but I just avoid it, itās a waste on me while Alvaro enjoys it and happily eat it all) but their livers are very different. Rabbit has such a mild, almost tasteless, a tad sweet liver while chicken liver is normal liver, strong and borderline bitter.
Iām sort of mid-month on my challenges. Iām 15 days with no eggs and 9 days no dairy.
Quitting coffee is a problem for 2025 Bean.
Iām glad weāre talking about tweaking. Iām 25# up from my ideal weight, and 10# heavier than I was 13 months ago when I went carnivore. Some of it is playing with my meds, but some is just eating more than I burn. Iām doing something even more controversial than eating fruit. Iām counting calories. Sort of. Desperate times. I only have two pair of work slacks. The last time I was this heavy, I was 8 months pregnant.
Anyhow, I know how much red meat puts me in a negative calorie balance and Iām measuring and eyeing an average across the week.
I had a smallish lunch. Itās unusual to eat multiple eggs again but I only had a little meat (not very fun, old, lean - I always eat the fattier parts first unless I have something really fatty. this is shoulder so supposed to be fatty but it was way leaner than usual. I donāt know if I can blame the air fryer too, sometimes itās very good at taking fat from my already - but not well enough - fried meatā¦), I successfully avoid dairy, processed meat is not something I can eat galore, of course I ate eggs! With runny yolk. And in an egg milk. And whipped and baked. Yum.
I plan sponge cake with salmon spread for dinner (today is only carnivore-ish anyway. I had a little leftover soup, empty so almost no carbs from plants but it still wasnāt carnivoreā¦ well, good enough for me but I can do better without problems) - and my leftover pork. No cheese for today, I had enough in the last days. I am curious about my results now that I go lower with dairy than ever. I know it should be effective as meat satiates me so well that even with some eggs and dairy, it is fine. But dairy goes out of hand super quickly, I donāt mean I start to eat a ton of it, no, I eat a decent amount but it happens to end up being like 1000 kcal a day. Itās NOT much dairy. At all. Just too much fat. Especially the low protein ones but I love them all. And even cheese is probably not satiating so it may trigger fat AND protein overeating. Maybe not, I would need some controlled experiments to figure it out. Maybe I can do it now that mostly meat isnāt completely impossibleā¦ As long as I am fine with my meat and still have a tiny amount of eggs and dairy, I donāt miss the latter ones.
But I do need some variety.
If itās hard, I wouldnāt pair it with fat-loss plans either. But it helps me. Coffee means too much dairy and maybe even more food as it makes hungry earlier (theory only but I can easily imagine itās true). You just focus on your most important goals! Good luck!
And I should focus on my non-dietary goals. I write too much again.
Hello! Yes Iām doing well. My meals are largely the same as when I ate entirely carnivore. Iām eating light fruit (berries) with kefir and yogurt, coffee with heavy cream in the morning, my usual carnivore lunch, and meat or eggs at night. My digestion has improved as I never did fully adapt to the fat I was consuming on ZC.
The subreddit subscribes to only sweet and unsweet fruits and doesnāt want anyone to go into the āmedium toxicā column that includes sweet potatoes, carrots, etc, even though Saladinoās Carnivore Code Cookbook seems to revel in this list. So maybe itās not as far out there as we thought.
A calculator on the subreddit suggests I consume 180-227 g carbs (!) but experienced members clarify that these numbers donāt apply to anyone with weight issues. So Iām safe from those 
My carnivore years seem to have reset my blood sugar/insulin resistance. Iām getting glucose readings from my watch on the half hour and itās a lot better than before. Dips into the 50s at night, fasting bg in the morning is about 73, spikes after meals up to 130 but then right back down to 80s and 90s.
The 2Ā½+ years I was ZC did a lot as a strengthening and elimination diet!
Oxtober Fest! I love it.
Geezy56:
You are welcome to join me over on Kiltzās Mighty Tribe or Carnivoretalk.com .
Both carnivore and very welcoming.
I love reading and listening to Dr. Kiltz and have read both his site and his book. Dr. Chaffee interviewed him on his podcast which was how I became aware of him.
Iāll look at carnivoretalk too.
@JJFiddle: Oh you are here again, lovely!
180g carbs OMG, it is probably not for most people, thatās A TON! Though I am not sure what is for most peopleā¦ Maybe most people would thrive on a healthy high-carb diet. I donāt have a really healthy carby diet myself but there is a reason I am here, my body clearly wants very low carb even if it tolerates much more carbs now and then. But it must be tricky to do a right high-carb diet even for the ones who are suited to itā¦? Maybe not, what do I do? Low-carb seems easier to me. Not for Alvaro but his ideal diet is apparently HCHF and itās allegedly not a common thing.
I talk way too much about things I donāt have knowledge aboutā¦ Oh well.
Me too, kind of, itās just sad when the title talks about a meat I canāt have despite I would be interested. Okay, ox or beef, what could be the difference? The beef farm has its rare butchering happenings again, Alvaro caught the notice when it was 5 hours old, almost everything was sold out and we wonāt travel for mere shank. Itās great for stew but that is the part we can easily buy in the city too. Maybe not the same quality but it hardly matters when I live on cheap pork anyway.
And we still have some steak. One day I will be brave and try to cook it. I am in no hurry, I donāt need to eat ruminant meat every month.
Now that itās another day, I can tell how I ate yesterday. I even tracked, it was so easy with my few items!
I had my planned little dinner. I couldnāt get satiated, my appetite went into negative earlier. I never can have this strong food aversion on any other diet, not even when I am way too full. Strange. BUT I wasnāt hungry anymore and only got a small hunger after midnight (as I was below my minimum protein intake, the sacred 130g). I ignored it, October is fresh and I have some emergency willpower or maybe determination, using willpower in my diet sounds super wrong to me. For me, other may use a ton, sure. But I would need some serious personality overhaul for it and I wouldnāt stay me.
So, yesterday. 420g meat and 5 eggs. About 110g protein and around the same fat, probably. But today I got hungry soon after waking and had a nice scrambled eggs with my tiny leftover pork and sausage. And all the leftover sponge cakes and salmon spread. And smoked ham, oh it is so wonderfully soft this timeā¦ They are thin slices in a ball, pressed together, near impossible to take one without tearing them upā¦ And something they are dry. Still good but I prefer these soft ones. Lovely. But I need to bake another batch of sponge cakes now. Well, not now, per se, the ovenās timetable is full for a while. I need to roast my green ham and bake Alvaroās bread (more fun than usual as we run out of white flour long ago and Alvaro hates added gluten for some reason. but I have skills). The meat is actually for both of us but obviously itās me who will eat the vast majority of it. The fattier slab is 12xx g, should be enough for 3 days. But one can never now. I actually donāt want another few eggy days. Oh I am so good at avoiding dairy (except milk when I drink coffee and yep, there is almost always a reason for itā¦ but itās not my priority. I do try to quit but not that hard. yesterday was okay-ish, no coffee until 8:20pm! then I got a headache. it didnāt help but my headache wasnāt too bad so I just tolerated it. breakfast with coffee actually cured it the next morning. or something did) while Alvaro happily eat cheese around me as usual. I like cheese. I just donāt need it all the time. It will taste better after some break from it. Itās mostly for joy and in moderation as itās not really useful for other purposes but itās a huge staple for Alvaro. Especially for dinner but his cheesy fluffs are cheesy too, of course. They would be mostly air with some egg white without the cheese, not very substantial
We have a rainy day as forecast foretold. It tends to affect my mental energy.
I wonder how my day will be, itās so crazy to eat at 9amā¦ Would be nice to get away with only one other meal. I will jump my freshly made pork, it should satiate me well.
Well today wasnāt a no coffee day for me eitherā¦ Oh well.
And I promptly got bored of my lean pork againā¦ Sigh. But I ate enough of it I guess. With ham and later cream cheese. Oh cream cheese my saviour! But I got food aversion again. It works though: I stop eating before satiation, it does good to my energy intake. And satiation arrives eventually.
Rainy day makes me sleepy.
And we really need shopping nowā¦ We start to run out of more and more things. Well I run out of a few but I can handle it (itās way easier to skip some dairy items if I donāt have them it is the only way, actually) while Alvaro went low with his absolutely must have every day staples. We need to act before he truly run out of those. I can handle such situations to some extent, slowing down the usage but there are limits.
So, sunny Saturday with hiking and shopping, please, weather! 
Something clicked for me by cutting dairy. Around day 8 or 9, I suddenly stopped being hungry all the time. Yes, Iām tracking, but eating one meal of beef/ lamb isā¦ easy. Weird.
And. I got the job. I start in the January term as full-time faculty. I already know my courses and times. Suddenly, everything feels sustainable.
Nothingās perfect, of course, but itās teaching students I know with a boss I like only 10 minutes from home. And I have summer off. I can spend time with our parents/ kids/ grand kids and keep up with our two businesses. And have time to work out every morning.
Other than my occasional dairy Iāll always be zero carb so no change there. The only change Iām doing this month will l be to eat 2MAD several times a week instead of always being OMAD.
Since my weight has gotten down to the lowest it should be for my height and age Iāve felt the need to eat more often to maintain the weight and not dip below.
Yep, so true. I know that in my lifetime Iāve lost well over 500 lbs altogether. I just refuse to lose it anymore in such a way that Iāll gain it right back. So I get you there @Shinita!
I looked up the carbs I consumed today, it was 34g. Nowhere near the 200+ AB allows! But also not pure carnivore.
That is awesome. So good to read Judy. Fabtastic that you doing well and making the adjustments for your optimums.
What is the watch that you use, please? My doctor wants me to get a watch of some kind, so they can āwatchā me 
I just ate bacon and eggs at 1pm. Stormy weather here. Winter suggesting they are not done yet.
An appetite has returned after 3 or so months of having very little appetite. Iāve struggled with over-eating my whole life and got such a kick out of not feeling hungry so, mentally/emotionally, I am not enjoying the return of hunger. However, I am not going to fight it and will eat when hungry. A lot of undereating the past 3 months, tho not deliberate, didnāt result in a big whoosh of weight loss which has really annoyed me - but over the past 7 or so months Iāve lost the nearly 9kg I gained when I stopped carni for 5 months and Iām happy about that.
Feeling hungry again scares me tho. Itās like all of a sudden Iām really hungry! Like a switch has been thrown. Itās not an emotional-based hunger or a boredom hunger, I think my body is genuinely demanding food - which makes sense after surgery and after not providing enough for 3 months. But itās going to be difficult at times to resist eating non-carni foods. I need to be smart and have stuff I can just grab - like make a batch of beef patties instead of just enough for one meal and keep some boiled eggs in the fridge etc.
Re the surgery I am now 5 weeks post op and think Iām pretty much through my recovery. No pain, abdominal swelling almost gone, energy levels the same as before the surgery etc. Iāll keep wearing a firm abdominal binder and not lift anything heavy or even heavy-ish for another couple of months to protect the hernia repair and reduce the chance of developing a new hernia. The hernia I had repaired was at the side of my abdomen, the 10 inch incision to do the repair is central and vertical. Itās crazy how high the risk is of developing a hernia in a longish central incision is - up to 30%! Yikes. Being 19kg lighter than I was when I 1st developed the incisional hernias after my gallbladder surgery and no longer a smoker will help a lot tho. Iām also super thankful I stopped smoking because the pneumonia, pleural effusion and collapsed lower lung lobes I got post op this time would have been so much worse. Phew!
Hoping we all have a great October.
Thanks Frank! I got it by googling blood glucose watch - then ordered one for a friend and one for my daughter. Theyāre inexpensive and made in China. Looks like the US hasnāt yet certified them.
Both mine and my daughterās, though different brands, use the Hband app. Also I see that the info can be shared from the app. Ostensibly to your doc.
@MeganNZ Congratulations on your recovery, quitting smoking, and incredible weight loss! Best of luck going forward 
I would listen to your body and eat more. As long as itās the right food, you can afford it. In fact, I used to stall or even gain when eating lessā¦ my body had good reason to mistrust me after years of yo-yo dieting.
And when I ate more, as in MORE of the right food, I would lose weight.
Goes against years of being brainwashedā¦ especially women. Be tiny, starve yourself. Ugh.
Glad you are home and recovering.
Good for you! (For the job too.) I have no hunger problems with my dairy so I keep them. I barely can satisfy my tiny hunger anyway, meat IS boring now. I donāt even know whyā¦ I normally like it and I donāt need very muchā¦ Probably the lack of pork chuck, itās one of the few reliably tempting options, after allā¦ I need to buy some again.
Sounds good to me! I probably had more carbs today, I made a weighing mistake and I donāt know how much milk (powder) I had but it wasā¦ Much. Coffee all dayā¦ Not a huge deal, itās still comfortably keto and itās animal sugar and my body likes that but I still need to make changes already. I couldnāt stop the coffee today but I made egg milk (with milk, it needs something and I donāt have cream since long as the rain kept us from shopping in a bigger town. the local supermarkets arenāt good enough)!
Itās still SO CRAZY for me! I somewhat understand, one can eat very much animal based with just some extras and sugars add up quickly - but still, 200+? Thatās what high-carbers eat. Most of them as some high-carbers eat lessā¦ Alvaro (rarely but) has days below 200g carbs and his energy need is high, he eats nearly everything with grains and half-live on sweet desserts! (He does love fat, though.)
I ate 3 times yesterday due to my unusual breakfast but still no danger at night, I donāt need to eat there, yay, I want it to stay! It should, red meat is really satiating, I just donāt eat much of it currently but eggs apparently help me out.
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I wanted to wait for my tracking but it didnāt happen (so lazy, itās so easy though, I eat simple) so I send it now.
I already had a pre-lunch snack as I got hungry at 1pm. I had pork with smoked pork (roasted green ham, smoked ham), my fav combo now And coffees with milky egg milkā¦ I donāt have sunshine, let me have my coffee at least and I had a slight headache too. I wonāt go overboardā¦
At 3pm, I was nicely satiated and even Alvaroās lunch couldnāt trigger a meal. Yay.
I will finish my pork at dinner, tomorrow will be the day when I cook all the limbs of 2 little hens. And IDK what else, I need some red meat tooā¦ 
And probably some sausages wonāt cut it. Maybe I shouldnāt avoid the topic of the 2 little steaksā¦ We can eat those and open the Glenlivet (our fav whisky, not like we have tried many but itās just perfect) we have bought months agoā¦ We are super slow drinkers Our first bottle lasted for 2 or 4 years and we loved it
Oh yeah. It wonāt be carnivore, sorry. Not like I do true carnivore. My 12ml or whatever Glenlivet wonāt be worse than my other (avoidable or not) really tiny extras. I focus on keeping my dairy and fatty meat consumption low now and I do so wellā¦ Oh and I drink Black Kraken rum anyway. About 1ml at a time. Though probably less, 1ml is pretty much, multiple dropsā¦ Though itās light rum after the Stroh80 I only used that for desserts, a bottle lasted for years that way. (It would last forever if it would have been for drinking though.)
I better added some spoiler tags, it was about alcohol.
We will pressure can some fruits again, thankfully only one batch. I had enough for this year.
I am fine now, eating wise. I lost the food aversion but it doesnāt mean I eat willy-nilly (I never do that with lean pork, I needed 3 meals and 5 eggs and some other items to go overboard one day. did I wrote about that? Wednesday I think. 178g protein and lots of fat - guesstimation 150g - as I happily ate up 5 portions of cream cheese tooā¦ I have read the label for that as portion means nothing to me, usually. and there was some pork fat in my scrambled eggs too. I mean, fat tissue, if itās just lard, I donāt need so much). So things are chill and enjoyable enough. I ate better but I canāt complain.
Oh and we had a rainy day, again. I miss my walks. Tomorrow we will go on mushroom hunting (though first of all, wildlife park strolling. but with purpose, I can walk longer, I noticed this when I went on mushroom hunting for 4 hours a day at some point), Alvaro spotted some again (he made a lunch from the last ones collected by him 2 days ago - it was too rainy for me to do it myself but he comes home that way - so I neednāt to cook even eggs in purgatory this week! lovely. today he just ate half of the leanest piece of pork and I baked a simple thing for him too. itās fortunate a good part of his fav desserts are not ones I like. I am okay but temptations always have a chance when something nice and tasty is around, letās not risk it, maybe I would end up using willpower and how bad would that be? 
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I totally agree! Those are useful if your hunger isnāt reliable. Mine is okay now but one can never know when it changes and anyway, I may hate the food I have and want something else so I like to have options. I just canāt keep ready to eat meat in the freezer as I always eat them so quickly, nothing remains unless I dislike it at the momentā¦ And the slabs are small, I am still adjusting to use 2 at once. But sometimes I use one with some chicken, thatās nice and varied. Boiled eggs were things I used a lot for tiny snack needs. I donāt need those now and itās good as I better focus on meat now.
So, you have appetite AND hunger now? You are the kind where they go hand in hand?
I am glad you feel much better. You had it hard.
It would be great indeed I wish for the same!
My spirits are quite fine now despite not seeing any sun since days (and having an interrupted sleep. I could go back to sleep super quickly this time though, yay). It happens sometimes. Why am I this perky? I donāt see the reason. Maybe just some chemicals in my body and something in my mind, the body and mind is so complex
But I do want sunshine for the weekend. We wanted to go hiking weeks ago! Tomorrow it should be sunny and dry up the mud a little and Sunday we go to the top peak of our mountain range. My foot is still not right but it never aches too bad and I easily can handle 2 hours. Less easily with elevation and I may have an aching foot for 2 days afterwards but I want this hike (and should meditate, sometimes it helps a lot with pain).
I have a lot of problem with that attitude, especially āa woman must eat 1200 kcal to lose fatā nonsense (1. thatās a small meal to me, I would stay hungry unless itās a very special diet and the right timeā¦ but I would get hungry soon even then. except fat fast days but they are occasional 2. yes, every women are exactly the same and they want to lose fat at a fixed rate too, sure) but I personally must eat very little or else I stay fat. Never ever lost fat when ate over 2000 kcal and always when I ate as little as I could. Less food always won over less carbs too. So thatās my way. And lifting Of course I never force anything or starve myself. I eat without hunger too if I feel like (I tried not to but I canāt force it and there can be advantages of eating earlier anyway).
And itās known undereating is wrong. I canāt undereat (for more than 1-2 days and thatās fine) so I donāt need to worry about that.
Andā¦ We donāt know what will happen with some amount of food (unless itās extremely little or much), itās silly to listen to some very simplistic ideas.
Even the CICO site I use for tracking (and sometimes read the forum, it can be interesting) warns people of eating too little. The calculator is as bad as all of them but it gives some starting point for people who have no idea. I laughed at it back then and ignored it but well, I need my food even if I am short and I always was quite stubborn, listening to myselfā¦ And if someone, I know we are individuals. Some statistical stuff has little to do with me! Especially if itās impossible for me.
Itās nice when one just do keto/carnivore and get success, I had to do much more (okay, I never did carnivore for long but I just couldnāt. it may or may not be enough alone anyway, overeating is my skill. carnivore helps but I need to do my research and put into some effort too).
Sorry, I wrote too much again. I keep trying to avoid that. (But it was 2 days for meā¦ I was worse in the past. And I am probably very lonely and isolated. This topic is my social life, basically. Pathetic, right? Oh well.)
