Osteopath kinda recommended low carb

(Ellen) #1

I’ve had issues with my hips & lower back for years, it went again 2 weeks ago so have been to osteopath (new one as old one has left) twice, she told me to avoid inflammatory foods; sugar, alcohol, processed foods & especially processed carbs, all easy for me these days but so happy that word seems to be spreading about the benefits of low carb.

#2

Keto going near mainstream has definitely helped and put it on the radar of many doc’s. Granted DO’s are typically more receptive to it than most MD’s but even some of them are starting to come around. A friend of mine was told “You need to do the keto diet” a couple weeks ago…AWESOME!

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #3

This is cool, but isn’t osteopathy unscientific, like homeopathy? Wikipedia tells me it’s “alternative medicine.” I’d prefer if science-based medicine turned to low carb approaches.

#4

Nope, their real doctors, Difference is DO’s treat the whole body as a system and try to find and treat the root cause of stuff and not just the symptom BUT being real doc’s they have the ability to prescribe meds if they want to or need to.

(Janelle) #5

Huh, my wikipedia tells me that are real doctors.

“ An osteopathic physician (DO) is a fully licensed, patient-centered physician. DO has full medical practice rights throughout the United States and in 44 countries abroad.[[7]]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_the_United_States#cite_note-aacom_diff-7)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_the_United_States

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #6

It turns out that in some countries osteopaths need to be medical doctors, and in some countries they don’t. Or something.

Evidently, upon some further basic googling, osteopathy itself is “alternative” medicine no matter who practices it. If it worked, it would be a part of science-based medical practice. I wouldn’t go to an osteopath any more than I’d go to a homeopath (and some doctors also call themselves “homeopathic” — this doesn’t invalidate their medical credentials, it just means that some of what they practice is based on science, and some of it is based on voodoo hocus pocus.)

(Brian) #7

Painting with a pretty broad brush.

Just as there are some DO’s that could probably fit into your painting well, I know of at least two MD’s who’s total incompetence KILLED patients. I’m not talking about people I read about on the internet.

Just sayin’.

(J) #8

In the US, there is no difference between the DO and MD credential with the exception of a few additional courses (for DO’s) in medical school. They complete the same medical residencies and have the same licesnse to practice. Most DO’s here do not practice “Osteopathic spinal manipulation.” The equivalent ‘osteopath’ outside the US would be a chiropractor (DC here).

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #9

Oh I have no doubt there are incompetent MDs. But that’s rather different from the entire osteopathy/chiropractor field being NOT based on science.

Low carb is a science-based diet. But it’s also, even now, regarded as a bit fringe by a lot of people. So you get anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, and other anti- and non-scientific views mixed in with the keto. These unscientific “alternative” medicine fields are no different, and we as a community should not be encouraging people to waste their money on such things.

#10

Where are you getting that DO’s aren’t based on science? They go to real medical school which are very much based on all the same science that an allopathic school would be, it’s all the same stuff. They have the same practicing and prescribing abilities that every MD has, they’re also surgeons and specialists. DO’s and MD’s go through 4 years of medical school and then 3 years residency side by side. Only difference is the WAY they practice. MD’s treat symptoms, DO’s go for the root cause and treat the whole body as a complete system. Nothing else is different. You can’t compare a D.O. to a Naturopath. If you go to any larger heath care system you’ll see plenty of them will be D.O’s, it’s not like going to a functional medicine clinic, they work side by side with MDs.

(Ellen) #11

Osteo’s in the UK aren’t Drs but do have to have several years training. @gabe if you think it’s all snake oil & quackery nothing I or others could say would change your mind and that’s fine. It was recommended by my Dr years ago and works for me when hips/vertebrae decide to move where they shouldn’t be. I’m just happy that keto/lc is getting more traction in the UK, KCKO all.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #12

In most of the world, “osteopath” expressly does not mean someone medically trained. It’s not far away from homeopathy in places like Australia.

I understand that in the US, you have medically trained osteopaths. I wouldn’t trust one of them as far as I could throw them. If osteopathy was science-based, it would simply be part of medical practice.

It worries me that the frontier nature of “keto” attracts interest in this kind of thing. It bothers me that people believe in these things. There is, as far as I can tell, no scientific evidence for “alternative” medicine like this. And the fact that a medically trained physician would attach themselves to this, in my view, disqualifies them from being taken seriously.

That’s just my 2 cents.

(Ellen) #13

@gabe, a couple of my mates feel the same, it’s all fine, it would be a very dull world if we were all the same :slightly_smiling_face:

(J) #14

I don’t think you understand. A DO and MD in the USA are exactly the same credential.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #15

Let me state my objection in clearer terms: if there is science behind the training and practice of a physician, excellent. If there’s not, it’s no better than voodoo. The degree is necessary but not sufficient to the practice of science-based medicine.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #16

You seem pretty dogmatic on this issue.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #17

I am absolutely dogmatic about the need for evidence and reason.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #18

Why chiropractic is BS:

(J) #19

I don’t think you have read a word I have written, so you might as well stop responding with junk that has no application to my actual words. Thanks.