Opinions on sugar and carb free sodas

(bjørn arne) #1

I drink about 2-3 liters of pepsi max per week, as far as i can tell i dont notice any effects on my ketosis. but i am just 5 weeks into this fantastic diet. But i would love to hear some oppinions from some more exprienced keto people. i also sometimes drink some pineapple juice i guess in america its called cool aid, its a liqued that you mix with water that taste great. There are no sugars, cals or carbs in it.

(Karen) #2

Some people notice troubles with weight loss using zero calorie sweetners. You may be a lucky one that doesn’t.
I use monk fruit drops.
K

(Renee Slaughter) #3

Me. I’m a occasional diet soda drinker. If I’m eating out or order a lettuce wrap double bacon cheese burger with avocado. I usually get a diet soda. Diet coke or Segrams diet ginger ale. Yummy stuff. Somehow I’ve just lost the taste for soda at meals.

(Chris W) #4

I stopped all soda at the onset, I don’t drink coffee. I have noticed with out sweet things when I do have them they are almost too sweet now. I bought a soda stream and use the just the water a lot, but I do have flavors and I have used them when I start to near my 18 hour mark on extended fasts to get me through or the odd off diet soda. I have had diet soda on occasion as well when nothing else was drinkable or I needed to get a boost of salt. Being a mountain dew drinker(full leaded, high octane) for years I do not miss the yo-yo it put me on after I adapted I realized I was not living at all.

(bjørn arne) #5

in norway we have noe diet ginger ale :frowning: that sucks becouse thats my favorit drink

(Karl) #6

Amateur :slight_smile:

I’ve been at this for 2+ years, so I only consider myself “somewhat” experienced… For me, I go to town on non-nutritive sweeteners. I put liquid sucralose in my coffee, I drink 2 to 4 Monster Ultra energy drinks and at LEAST 2 liters of Diet Dr. Pepper in a day. I also chew a lot of sugarless gum that has seemingly every artificial sweetener ever made in each piece.

None of it ever affected me or my nutritional ketosis whatsoever. But others report very different things - like intense cravings for the real thing - when they ingest these sweeteners.

But for me, nothing. In fact, having these artificial sweeteners helped matters if anything. My weight came off quickly without any additional cravings ever getting in the way.

(Chris W) #7

Soda stream sells a diet ginger ale, I opened it last night to pour into my Irish whiskey( it was St Patties day in the states ). Can you get soda streams there?

(Renee Slaughter) #8

Diet Canada Dry Ginger Ale, 12 fl oz cans, 12 count https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FGHLWT0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_8KLRAbNGVFXF8
Amazon

(bjørn arne) #9

2-4 monster energy drinks and 2 liters of diet dr.pepper per day? i might be an “Amateur” but atleast i have the common sense to KNOW that there is no fucking way, you can be a healty person and consume that amount of shit per day. even if you`re weight is down. i dont care about the weight i care about mental focus and well being first. weight and looks is probably nr 5 on the list of why i eat healty.

(bjørn arne) #10

i am not ready to give up coffe yet even do i am considering after this summer to replace it with tea, but do you notice a difference other than the cravings factor to givin up diet sodas? becouse i dont get the cravings, but i had a night where i drank alot of diet soda and i noticed i was more tired in the morning, kindof like a mild hangover.

(Chris W) #11

Try going decaf, the caffinee still has effects on you much like sugar. Take that out of the system for a while and you figure out you don’t need it.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #12

On my best weight loss, I limited myself to a 12 ounce Diet Coke a day and maybe a bit looser on weekends.

I have had success with ad lib Diet Coke.

But I don’t think using a large amount of a sweetened beverage is conducive to the life change that I want to make, so I’m going back to one a day this time.

(Karl) #13

You do you, buddy. :slight_smile:

None of it affects me in any adverse way, regardless of your opinions of the “shit” I consume. If there’s one thing I’ve learned in this entire lifestyle it’s that the term “healthy” is completely arbitrary and “common sense” usually doesn’t align with science. By EVERY measurable metric (available to me, anyway), I am healthy. Just because I ingest a few extra ounces of sweet chemicals in a day doesn’t mean it’s incompatible with being “healthy,” arbitrary as that word happens to be.

But that never seems to stop the aspartame-demonizing yahoos from telling me I’m going to drop dead from the “shit” I drink. It happens all the time.

You wanted opinions. Well, you got one. You don’t have to like it.

(bjørn arne) #14

I dident mean to be rude man, sorry if i came of a little harsh, but there is a fine line between “a few extra ounces” and 5 liters of energi drink and soda per day. i agree “common sense” is a word that are thrown around but dude, you drink 5 liters of shit per day. In no way, shape or form is that healty, and its a aproriatte in this case to use the term common sence, it has shown in studies to lower ketone`s production in the system. maby this vary from person to person, but over consuption and being a hard core addict is not healty.

(bjørn arne) #15

cocain has no carbs, no sugar, no calories and i am no rocket sientist, but i can tell you its not healty.

(Diane) #16

@IceNine, well said.

I do my research, and make my own n = 1 experiments/observations. I’m done with letting other people’s opinions matter more than my own, I’m the one who will live with the consequences of my own choices anyway. So, I make the best choices I can based on MY experience and adjust as I go along.

I greatly appreciate the diversity that the other users of this forum bring to the mix. It gives me options when what I am doing doesn’t seem to be working.

(Karl) #17

Don’t sweat the “rude” stuff, I didn’t take it that way. It’s the internet, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and they all stink :slight_smile:

But with regards to the “unhealthy” thing - show your work. Prove it. Because my experience says “it had no effects whatsoever.” That might surprise you, but in my experience (should you choose to believe it - many won’t) it simply didn’t change anything. I lost the bulk of my 140lb in 10 months, drinking the same levels of diet soda and energy drink products throughout. None of it stalled anything, created additional cravings or whatever. It simply, for me, had zero impact.

So that makes me ask - what metric are you using to justify the level of “healthy” my diet soda consumption brings to me? What science are you using to justify the opinion that non-nutritive sweeteners are “unhealthy” at my given level of consumption?

As for Cocaine - well, there’s science there that proves the physiological effects it has on humans. Artificial sweeteners? Not so much. We don’t go loading cocaine into our sodas anymore. But artificial sweeteners are EVERYWHERE, and I don’t see people dropping dead from their use.

But give me time. I’m working on that.

(charlie3) #18

I heard a nutrician researcher say science does not have an answer to your question because the FDA does not require the kind of testing needed. There is some discussion that may be some of the artifical sweetners trick the body, in some people, to believe glucose is coming and insulin is released. If that happens, not proved, it’s undesirable if the purpose of low carb/high fat is to minimize the need for insulin to be put into the blood stream.

I drink more than the recommended amouont of coffee in the morning. After that I’m partial to a flavored drink called Arizona calorie free green tea. I can get it in powered form to sip at work. I dilute it more than 50% with water, half a packet per oversized glass which saves money and is still easier to drink than plain water. The pre mixed version in gallon jugs costs less than the powder so I drink that at home and also dilute it 50-50 with water. Now I prefer it watered down.

I used to drink diet coke.

(Rob) #19

Well, then you failed badly. If keto teaches you anything it is that everyone is unique and reacts differently to different things. It is the wonder and the curse of it all which is why blanket statements about “shit” is pointless and ignorant. Lots of people thrive on a SAD diet. Some people can’t even eat 20g of carbs without falling out of ketosis.

@IceNine has done this for a couple of YEARS with incredible results so you might want to reserve your “expert” opinion based on some scaremongering in the press based on some suspect science.

And when he says a few ounces of chemicals, that is correct - the vast majority (95%+) of the 5 liters is water… obviously.

(Karl) #20

I agree completely. People love to make blanket statements, particularly about health and nutrition. I have a completely different opinion of what the word “healthy” means, and it’s based on my own conclusions. When people get up-in-arms over the demonizing GoodHousekeeping.com is doing about Keto, I simply say “So what.” Let them demonize. They can take my ribeyes and diet sodas when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.