O.K. I've had it up to here! The word "CHEAT" must die

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(icky) #101

Well, just like if I’d had a couple too many drinks, I’m annoyed with my carb hangover today, as I would be with an alcohol hangover. :smile:

I’m certainly vowing that in the next social situation, where socially-appropriate carb-consumption is an issue, I will try and have LESS. One scoop of ice-cream would have been plenty… :see_no_evil:

I did not even enjoy the TASTE :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

I just enjoyed the easy, relaxed, fun situation of everyone sitting in the sun, de-stressing and eating stoopid carbs… :heart_eyes:


#102

I’m not judging anyone. I’m judging me, and intend to keep on judging me. The moment I stopped judging me, I’d self sabotage and start making silly jokes about how cool it is to binge on carbs, and other negative excuses.


(Ken) #103

It should be called LIMP, or Limited (Carb) Intake (for) Metabolic Purposes. As in “I decided to LIMP on my Birthday” or, “I’m going to LIMP on the Weekend to see if it breaks my stall”…


(TJ Borden) #104

So… really for health and science purposes… I like that. :wink:


(icky) #105

Oooh, I like this… May I have LISP as a variation? :smile:

Limited (Carb) Intake for Social Purposes?


(icky) #106

I LISPed again today btw.

End of school year is nuts re sweets and baked goods.

I am walking a healthy middle line between not being a (carb) party pooper but also reminding my students that carbs and sugar are pretty good if you want to develop T2D and that LC is possible.

I figure that’s a pretty pragmatic and yet kinda responsible approach.

Oh, and I was much more conscientious about limiting carb intake this time! Just enough to “be polite”.


(Ken) #107

Sure, as long as you don’t develop a permanent one.


(icky) #108

Absolutely not :smile:

So weird - I don’t “enjoy” the carbs at all anymore. It’s just like an inert substance now - I used to crave carbs so much!

Now they are “meh” and the short social gains are followed by a stoopid carb hangover.

Not tempting at all! :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Which is COOOOOL

Thank you Keto!! :heart_eyes::heart_eyes::heart_eyes:


(Tony Phillips) #109

Arctic Circle? I didn’t know those were still around. You must live in the PNW. Can’t fault a guy for that. The sauce is worth dying for.


(TJ Borden) #110

I am. I’ve seem then in Nevada, Idaho, and Utah, and I knew there were a couple still in Oregon somewhere (which is where I grew up), but until recently, I had no idea there were any in Washington (where I live now).

And yeah, their fry sauce…:drooling_face:


(Ken) #112

Then, of course there’s MIMP (Massive) for holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas. The protocol is to fast for 24 hrs before, eat the entire day, then fast until actually hungry afterwards.


#114

Well, the sneaking and playing dumb (about missing food containers or crumbs in some cases) can be quite similar to the alcoholic hiding their bottles or denying the smelly glass or beer breath. On the other hand, not weighing one’s food or tracking it on an app and instead sincerely eyeballing and paying attention to nutritional info can simply be very workable ‘lazy keto’ (I’ve never weighed my food and only tracked calculated macros for 24-36 hours once) that may be more suitable to certain personalities, and eventually bring positive outcomes and functional personal cultures of keto (the trackers as opposed to the eyeballers, the VLC people vs. the LC people).

It can take some discernment to know whether our loved ones actually have an addictive personality or are simply non-compulsive, creative types - or have emotional histories with food that they haven’t quite acknowledged to themselves or to us.

For loving partners who want best outcomes, it’s a tricky thing to be able to converse with self-respect and a refusal to enable self-harm, and yet also be conscious of the other person being on their own journey. Though loving non-attachment to the results can help your own mental health, self-care, and inner peace - a shared culture around honesty and open communication matters very much too, without that, you may indeed have increased challenges managing your own cortisol!

Sugar is as addictive as cocaine in rats, etc. The more addictive a person is around food/sugar and the subsequent mental states - the more challenging the leap to go keto I think. Sometimes framing things as an addiction can be helpful - other times, it can offend. For the brain, carbs/sugar dependence is similar to narcotics or alcohol, and many folks can’t simply just cut down well if they are highly prone to self-sabotage and don’t ever experience the brain switching over to fat burning. Some folks really have to do the cold turkey ketogenic induction thing for 2-6 weeks just to get there.

Food habits are very emotional, taking that leap has to come from the person’s own inner desire to be more alive regardless of partnership. This is where a keto-friendly physician case manager or the Virta Health program can be lifesaving for some, and take a load off the partner, etc. Here’s to your own keto clarity! :herb: :avocado: :coconut: :steakcake:


(Ken) #115

Hmmmm, you consider it a crisis if someone coming off of IF consumes 120 calories of carbs? After two months, meaning your major adaptive phase is probably over. That’s about the amount in a piece of fruit. What do you think happened on the biochemical level? Very little. A small insulin secretion. The carbs were probably burned within a couple of hours, so only a small break in lipolysis. No chance of any degree of glycogen recompensation, let alone overcompensation. If anything, it was a metabolic positive. It was irrelevant, within the overall context of a lipolytic nutritional pattern, unless it becomes chronic.

It doesn’t help to have people jump in and equate little things like this with Mental Illness.


(Linda) #116

Yesterday was my BD so I had a “treat” day, instead of a cheat day if that term offends. I had potato salad, hot dogs, a bag of Doritos, and popcorn. I also treat on Thanksgiving and Christmas.


(Empress of the Unexpected) #117

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say “Happy Birthday::balloon:,” I hope I am right, as I initially read BD as Bad Day (I had one of those a couple of days ago.:rofl:)


(Linda) #118

Thank you, yes birthday. I don’t count bad days as holidays to enjoy treats! :smile:


#119

@SlowBurnMary

I love this:

It can take some discernment to know whether our loved ones actually have an addictive personality or are simply non-compulsive, creative types - or have emotional histories with food that they haven’t quite acknowledged to themselves or to us.

I spent several years feeling that I was waaaay out of control with food addiction, compulsion and disordered eating.

Turns out it was a fun combo of Reactive Hypoglycemia and carb cravings. Yes, I was out of control and in distress. And counting everything while unable to get control.

But all it took was to get off the carb rollercoaster and those behaviours disappeared.

It was a delightful revelation for which I am deeply grateful.

So now I resist over control, detailed counting.
Words like ‘cheat’ and ‘self sabotage’ are at least as destructive as the behaviours they are supposed to describe.

If I eat an unusual food (which may have carbs in) I call it a ‘discrepancy’, and I do it with acceptance of any consequences. Then I observe those consequences and use the experience to decide whether to do it again. It’s great. I have found some excellent non- harmful food choices this way, and learned some things to NEVER do again. :rofl:

I don’t lay guilt and drama and rule breaks and aggro over it, and I sure as heck don’t let other people do it to me.

My life. My body. My food. My improved health. My choices.


(Michele) #120

Shortened to 5C


#121

Food addiction is real, and far too many suffer from it. The only cure is accepting you are an addict, and then understanding why you are an addict.

Overweight, fat, obese, cuddly, rotund, rubenesque etc These words are too kind for an addiction that kills.


(Dave Smith) #122

I agree. I consider it a scheduled “fun” meal or something. I do that occasionally, guilt-free because I schedule it in. I find if you keep it to just one “fun” MEAL and not a fun DAY every other weekend or so, you can still see results and not fall back too far from your goals.