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(Kirk Wolak) #41

Helene,
Believe me. The more Pulverized the food is, that more FATTENING it is.
they have studied this (Dr. Unwin, from the UK), with insulin response. Simply stated the rats that at the most powdered form of the exact same nutrients had a much larger Insulin response.

Dr. Cywes warns… NEVER drink your calories. It’s hard to know you’ve had too much!

Yes. These are well understood concepts. Blending stuff, and Cooking Stuff are both forms of “pre-digestion”, think about baby food. It’s Pre-Digested so they can plough through it.

The longer it takes to digest, the slower the release of insulin (sometimes called the Area Under the Curve). you are concerned with the total insulin produced to handle a meal.

(Omar) #42

In the seventies there were huge spreading of information regarding how healthy eating fruits and drinking fruit juice can be due to the vitamins and minerals they contain. The fruit juicers start invading every house like fashion. And juice stores start becoming popular in public.

If you look to photos at that time for people you know or street photos for people you will observe that you can not find overweight people in such photos taken in the sixties and seventies.

The role the media played at the time was so enormous that even today, majority of the people I know get surprised or even do not believe me when I talk negative about fruit juice.

#43

Drinking our calories is a very useful tool though… Sometimes it’s between us and undereating… And some people enjoy a keto coffee instead of a meal for some reason. I couldn’t do that, I am like a hobbit, I need to chew my meals but each to their own :slight_smile: I drink my dessert quite often. Though it has few calories as I don’t tend to undereat, more like in the contrary. Still, it helps a bit.

Of course I think about proper, carnivore drinks now, not fruity ones. The latter is purely for joy, refreshment and to do something with the leftover juice in my life.

Yes, sadly. I love fruits but they are natural candies, not some super healthy and even required things… It’s similar with vegs, they are carby things for occasional joy for me, definitely not healthy, nutritious stuff - though they do contain nutrients I don’t need on top of my normal food… They are not rarely quite sweet and sugary too… And I always disliked most of the low-carb ones and ate the minority that left in too big amounts…
Each to their own, again BUT it’s mildly annoying to read it even in fanfics that vegs are totally needed for a balanced diet for everyone. Oh well, I don’t expect this to change soon.

(Denise) #44

I remember in highschool it was rare to see kids over-weight, now “it’s” almost in fashion to be overweight. I can’t help but think of that first apple in the Garden :sweat: but it’s also that moderation thing. Not just in types of foods either.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #45

The statistics actually show problems beginning earlier than the dietary guidelines, but they certainly appear to have made the situation a lot worse. Dr. Michael Eades points this out, using photos taken from the Web.

Weston A. Price remarked that, as the populations he studied abandoned their traditional diets, the first sign was dental caries (cavities), then gout, then diabetes and hypertension, obesity, and cardiovascular disease. It’s not proof, of course, but there are statistics indicating that the number of new cases of Type II diabetes rises and falls with sugar consumption in the population, with about a 20-year lag.

I believe that cottonseed oil first began to be sold as a foodstuff in the early 19th century, and that industrial methods of refining sugar put cheap sugar on the market in the 1860’s. Our decline in health seems to have started at that point. Before cheap sugar and cheap refined flour flooded the market, gout and Type II diabetes were diseases found almost exclusively in the rich (Type I diabetes has been with us forever, since it is an autoimmune disease, not diet-related). Mike Eades’s lecture on “Palaeopathology and the Ketogenic Diet” is fascinating, because the Egyptians ate a diet very much like the one currently recommended, and they had all the same health problems we have.

Intriguingly, Gary Taubes cites a British colonial administration report from the mid-19th century, in which the Maasai, mostly animal eaters, were compared with their neighbors, the Kikuyu, who were mostly vegetarian. The Maasai were uniformly taller, stronger, and healthier, whereas the Kikuyu were shorter and had more health problems. Studies done in the 20th century that compared the Maasai who still retained the traditional diet with their relatives who had adopted the white man’s diet showed that the latter seemed to cause the same health problems in the Maasai that their colonial masters were experiencing.

#46

new normal. sad but true and don’t one dare ‘say anything about it! :)’
do we truly SEE in the full pic of where the entire planet is going? yikes
we are almost all in for all troubles from all angles. ugh

#47

KEY and REAL fact. food tops all liquids ever. but when ‘one is in tune’ wtih the old body, one can do a bone broth in their life and ‘make it work’ perfect for them. So agree with Dr C!

(Denise) #48

The worst thing is, instead of pushing the truth out there, especially to young people, look at the money that would be lost if we skipped the processed foods, and sugar aisles at the grocery store. No, some don’t want to listen to truth, we all have that freedom to choose, but seeing the plague of what our food-choices are doing to humanity, it should be at the very least, a required class in our children’s education.

#49

oh yea it is insanity but nowadays ‘how dare someone judge’ anyone so with that fact of ‘seeing and knowing multiple science facts on how obese and weight and medical issues come’ to all, we can’t say a darn word cause ‘one judges’ against body image and more out there?

best way is let life interact with each and those who ‘are ill’ find their way, those that don’t, won’t ever I guess? Scary where ‘food’ too humanity! Such the simplest thing as our food on our plates…ugh

(Joey) #50

Consider that an 8 oz glass of apple juice requires about 6-8 medium-sized whole apples.

Notwithstanding the 10x higher glycemic index of the juice due to fiber removal (vs the whole apples), I’d guess that one would struggle to eat all those whole apples well before gulping down a single glass of juice. :thinking:

#51

Thanks for the info! Though 25% sounds very little from that mostly water fruit… But I can’t test it and I am horrible at guessing, no matter how many times I made apple juice (not very many times as I prefer chewing but it happened as juice is fun and nice pulpy, just too rich :D).
It surely would work that way for many people but it’s not a huge amount of apples to eat at once either (for certain people), I just wanted to say that. If I would find myself in a situation where I must drink a glass of apple juice or eat 6-8 apples, it would be easier (still a bit hard but it’s me) to do the first (and more pleasant to do the second though my big apple eating days are over so I wouldn’t like either anyway). Time wise I can’t tell which would be quicker, the juice is INSANELY sugary. (6 bananas would be way quicker than any of them for sure :smiley: That’s super easy to eat.)
It’s way harder with hard apples and easier with softer fruits. But I basically agree, I just don’t think that the fruit for a glass of juice is hard to eat at all if you ask the right people and they aren’t very few. I never cared THAT much about statistics like normal people, I like special things and common but maybe not the most common things especially if I know good examples.

Drinking stuff is usually easier in general. Not always, tastes and mood matter but usually. I use that, sometimes I badly need drinking some of my calories.