No fruit

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #21

There is, I understand. But the process of bacterial fermentation takes time, together with vast quantities of fibre, if you want enough yield to survive on. Ruminant animals are called “foregut” fermenters, because the rumen is the first of the four stomachs (next is the reticulum, then the omasum, and lastly the abomasum, or “true stomach”). The work of the fermentation takes place in the rumen.

There are other animals, such as chimpanzees and gorillas, that are “hind-gut” fermenters, in which the fermentation takes place in the small intestine. They lack the rumen, reticulum, and omasum. Ruminants have a comparatively short set of intestines, whereas the big bellies of gorillas and chimpanzees are filled with their small intestines, which is where their bacteria do the fermenting.

Human beings are not fermenters. We lack the rumen, reticulum, and omasum, and our intestines are quite short, when compared with those of our primate relatives. The change from a herbivorous to a carnivorous diet is what allowed our ancestors’ intestines to shrink, and yet still be able to absorb enough nutrition to feed our comparatively large brains. Any fermentation that still occurs in our intestines is purely incidental, at this point in our evolution.

(Joey) #22

Thanks for the additional digestive comparisons. I shall continue to ferment my pickles, sauerkraut and kimchi on the kitchen counter.

#23

Pre-keto I ate lots of fruit and lots of variety of it. Loved it all! Since starting keto 5.5 years ago I no longer eat fruit - any - and after the first few months haven’t missed it. Fruit is mostly sugar: fructose, glucose and/or a combo. The various beneficial nutrients are easily consumed in other more ‘keto compliant’ fat and protein foods. In discussions about various plant-based ‘foods’ always keep in mind that pre-Holocene, plant-based ‘food’ was 90%+ totally indigestible cellulose. Our ancestors did not eat it because it was a waste of time and effort to do so.

#24

You are a doctor or supremely well-informed?

#25

I’m not even a sous chef when it comes to kugel making. I’m an assistant fruit peeler and dishwasher. So no mix on the hands. I had wiped them but not washed them and plenty of sugar must have lingered. Maybe next time I’ll try refinishing a table and then checking my ketones without washing my hands.

#26

Good to know thanks.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #27

Not a doctor, though I grew up in a family of medical people. I also have a great capacity for retaining useless knowledge. Anything truly useful, however . . . :scream:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #28

That would probably only work if you were checking serum acetone, not β-hydroxybutyrate. :grin:

#29

Everybody’s a chemist!

#30

haha

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #31

Just free-associating here, but although we customarily measure acetone in breath, acetoacetate in urine, and β-hydroxybutyrate in blood, all three ketone bodies are present in all three locations. (I was startled once to read in a study that they measured ketone levels from the β-hydroxybutyrate in the subjects’ urine instead of their blood.) I guess it’s probably simply a matter of which ketone body is easiest and cheapest for a home test to detect where.

So if you had test strips designed to detect acetone, I’ll bet you would detect a high level, with varnish (or varnish remover!) on your hands.

(Joey) #32

@PST Good thing you weren’t making kugel varnishka.

#33

Especially if you’re a carpenter.

#34

My wife has expanded my culinary horizons quite a bit, but I had never heard of kasha varnishkes until now. It sounds like the kind of carb on carb combo I’ve come to expect in Ashkenazi cuisine.

#35

ooh my husband is 100% Ashkenazi but l’ve never had kugel varnishka.

(Joey) #36

I guess it’s kind of a mash-up between kugel and kasha. All carb, all the time. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #37

So noodles, potato, buckwheat . . . yikes!

(I never really went for kugel, but kasha varnishkes aren’t bad.)

#38

not for me

(Denise) #39

I miss some fruits that are high in sugars, but have gotten used to berries. I like the Strawberries, Blackberries, rasberries and blueberries. I like to put any of those in my 2-Good Yogurt (2 g of sugar in that per serving). I did try watermelon, and just the tiniest bit of fruit salad last Summer but I didn’t do that again as it really did spike my glucose.

I like smoothies as long and usually use my Greens Powder and just a bit of my stevia. I put my 1/4 c berries in that and don’t make a huge glass of it. I never did a lot of fruit so didn’t miss it that much. I did miss the sugar and had some withdrawals, but now I have a routine and like all my foods/drinks. Now I made up a new one where I use my S Pelligrino (fave mineral water) and add a tsp of organic lemon on a little more, ginger, and just a little stevia. I little bit of stevia goes a long ways :wink:

#40

I vaguely remember we talked about this before… This is definitely not true. It’s very easy to eat 1-2-3 kg of fruit (3 kg a day, not at once, that would be some special skill or voracious appetite)… IDK how much juice that means and I don’t want to bring up my fairly small glass of pear juice today as I know it’s abnormal (it was a perfect size for me though)… But 1 kg fruit is nothing special for many people. It’s just some lovely little appetizer before lunch. Or dessert. I did that with apple and watermelon (the latter did the 3kg a day thing, I couldn’t imagine how to eat less than that). My SO did it with cherry last time while picking it and had regrets, yeah, 1 kg ripe, very sugary cherry alone, that must be serious even for someone who amazingly handle sugar. It still does things to the human body. It’s like lots of alcohol: no one can be “good at handling it”, the blood alcohol gets serious than fatal… Yeah we don’t die when we consume much fructose (at least the healthy ones among us surely don’t) but still, it’s a burden and a smart informed body that met a better way, may complain… That’s a cool thing and even my SO has it, yay! (My body complains very early now. So basically never as I don’t eat fruit galore.)

It is true it’s usually easier to drink fruit than eat it (many fruits are so soft and wet that it’s basically drinking but many aren’t) but it’s not hard to eat a big amount if one likes and wants the fruit and it’s not too hard or sour or something. It’s individual, of course, some people even get satiated with fruit, odd. I always got hungry (except a few fruits like plum and banana. 5 bananas actually satiated me for an hour :smiley: not a good idea but once I had no other options so I know that now. apples always made me super hungry even if I would have been very satiated for quite a few more hours without it. carbs does weird things to me and sugars are the worst. in too big quantities, tiny is fine).