Never believe the "keto" claims until you've tested yourself

(Robert C) #61

This sounds good!
Just wondering how long your prolonged water fasts were and how often?

(Michael King) #62

Water (salt water with potassium chloride and baking soda) Fast 48 hours to start. Eat one keto type meal (no sugar or you will get messed up); then another fast up it to 72 if you can. Then you just keep going until you see your abs. It is Cole Robinson’s snake diet and the salt water is his recipe. Free and fast way to get ripped if you still have fat on you. I’m almost done. You can drop 30 real pounds a month. It is way faster than intermittent fasting. I actually got tired of the length of time and lost most my weight doing prolonged fasting. Some people go like 5-7 days. You don’t get dizzy or lose energy because it is the electrolyte imbalance that causes the “keto flu”.

#63

Thank you for the recommendation. I am not obese and at a healthy enough weight now but want for my health and joints to come down about 20/30 more pounds.

(Running from stupidity) #64

It’s kind of a bad name, really, although it does reach a particular target market.

Alternative name: “Why controlling insulin controls your weight”

Everyone should read it, IMHO.

#65

Oh great thank you I do so appreciate your advise will check it out thanks again.

(Bill C) #66

You are so thorough I would love to hear your results after you have had a chance to use it.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #67

I haven’t tested monk fruit by itself. But what you have said is not technically correct. @WD5CW: With, say, sugar or bread, you’d expect a large BG increase, triggering a large insulin response, and then if you’re hyperinsulinemic you’d expect reactive hypoglycemia – an overexaggerated BG drop below baseline.

@atomicspacebunny: of course what you’ve quoted Fung saying is technically accurate, but we’re using BG numbers and trends as a proxy to see what insulin is doing. Of course, it’d be great to be able to directly monitor insulin. But it’s pretty damn space-age that we can track our BG in real time.

(Running from stupidity) #68

I so much want to do this for no other reason than the fact that we can. (Well, OK, I want it so I can run experiments on myself, but that’s the same thing, right?)

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #69

Bear in mind that in the USA, the Freestyle Libre requires a separate reader device. This came as a surprise. But I called the company yesterday and they’re claiming the iOS app is coming out in November. So if you’re gonna use that device, especially since it’s a reasonably priced option if your insurance won’t cover it, I’d wait till the iOS app comes out officially. Ain’t nobody gonna convince me to walk around with another device when the NFC on my iPhone can do it perfectly adequately.

Of course if you’re in the UK or Australia or the EU or wherever, then just get it. I strongly recommend using it for a few weeks just as an experiment to learn about your own body.

#70

:rofl::joy:

(Bob M) #71

Unless you don’t have iOS…

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #72

I’m pretty sure there’s no app for either iOS or Android. I could be wrong but I’m fairly certain they’d be touting their Android app if they had one.

(Bob M) #73

The reader is not bad. I’ve been using mine (from Sweden) with Canadian software (to read the reader and view graphs) for a while now. The only detriment I’ve found is that it doesn’t let you walk through the data. This is my data from Thanksgiving (yes, ate bread, potatoes, ice cream) last year:

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You get the numbers (5.3, 5.8,…) when you take data using the reader. You get a general idea of what’s happening using the software, but you can’t go through the graph and select a point. (My software is old, though, so maybe they corrected that by now.)

For someone like me, who is not T2 or T1, and the reader is really just to test things, it’s OK.

(Jody Crawford) #74

whispers I am also a glass jar hoarder… :smirk:

#75

You can upload the data of the reader to LibreView, then download the CSV with all the values in it, if you’re so inclined.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #76

The Libre application is coming out on iOS in the USA this month. Apparently the holdup was fda approval, which came out yesterday.

I won’t buy a reader, mainly bc I don’t want to carry around another device. My phone already has the tech in it to read the sensor!