In 1965, the Sugar Research Foundation (SRF) secretly funded a review in the New England Journal of Medicine that discounted evidence linking sucrose consumption to blood lipid levels and hence coronary heart disease (CHD)
More evidence on how sugar industry influenced public debate / buried information on sugar harm
The only difference between big sugar and big tobacco was big tobacco got caught.
Resurrecting this to throw another can of gasoline on the fire. The 1965 study was just the beginning:
The SRFâs funding and role was not disclosed. Together with other recent analyses of sugar industry documents, our findings suggest the industry sponsored a research program in the 1960s and 1970s that successfully cast doubt about the hazards of sucrose while promoting fat as the dietary culprit in CHDâŠ
Interestingly, Ancel Keys found a correlation between sugar consumption and coronary heart disease in his famous Seven Countries Study, which he dismissed out of hand in favour of his saturated fat hypothesis.
Zoë Harcombe states that when she included all twenty-two of the countries from which Keys had collected data in her reanalysis, the correlation between saturated fat and coronary heart disease vanished, but the correlation between sugar and coronary heart disease remained strong.
If I understand correctly, although Keysâs good friend Walter Willett at Harvard was one of the scientists paid by the Sugar Research Foundation, Keys himself was not.
Useful idiot?
-------------- If Americans could be persuaded to eat a lower-fat diet â for the sake of their health â they would need to replace that fat with something else. Americaâs per capita sugar consumption could go up by a third.
everyone shout: blame the animal fat, blame the animal fat
donât blame the body fat on humans that comes from sugar ever We as a species ainât got a prayer LOL
This is also one of the reasons we have the âa calorie is a calorieâ idea. If calories of sugar = calories of something with actual nutrition, such as beef or salmon, then sugar is not bad. Itâs your fault for eating more calories.
YUP!
a calorie is a calorie but when we hit our level we know a calorie from what food is what nutrition is all about!
we are what we eat and that is truth in my brain
Iâve often wondered about the so-called ânutritional densityâ and its effect. For instance, I love beef liver (if properly cooked). But I find the maximum beef liver I can eat at one sitting is around 8 ounces or so. Any more, and Iâd have to force myself to eat it.
Meanwhile, I can easily eat a pound of beef roast or ground/minced beef in one sitting.
And since Iâve tested low PUFA diets, I wonder about nutritional density for this. Some say that eating chicken causes them to be hungry, relative to eating beef for instance. While that might be PUFAs (PUFAs in chicken are typically much greater than PUFAs in beef, even âcorn fedâ), but it might also be that beef has more nutritional density (or perhaps different nutrients), thus one is hungrier when eating chicken.
We buy chicken from a local farm. Not only does it taste a lot better than store-bought, but itâs a lot smaller too. We bought some prepared wings from Costco, and those chicken wings were HUGE. What that means to me is these were fast-growing chickens fed PUFAs and corn. (This also means the type of chickens are different âEdit: the so-called animal husbandryâ, but I donât know enough about what chicken types do to taste. I do know the farm one time had us buy a new type of chicken and asked us what we thought of it. I thought it was great, but I did not have another chicken to compare.)
So agree that our purchased food quality wonât ever be the old days. what they are fed is what we indirectly ingest for sure.
Key being, any dense meat, like any big hooved critters are gonna be the best of the best. Then we go into all fowlâŠlike an ostrich is more meat than a game bird like pheasant etc. and then we got seafood which is fab but usually very low fat so we need alot of it.
Donât ever compare ya know anyone with you in that I used to eat 4 chicken thighs and be SO satisfied til that changed. I could eat 1/2 lb of shrimp in some butter and be so fine. Then I change.
Some eat tons of liver and want it and do great.
Some eat SO much and canât take another bite.
and while I get ya totally on the âreal whysâ of that we are not ever the same, on our changes, or our time on plan healthy changes and our activity and moreâŠso best is eat for you at all times but never undereat Undereating gives us so many issues while eating to your personal body limit gives us vitality and vibrancy and life force.
Only a human would try to break down their food choice to the micro nutrients per lb. or the amt consumed vs. some body function vs. a âlab testâ and moreâŠa healthy animal has 0 control over its food source or what ifs, but the darn things eat what it is programmed to eat that makes it the healthiest. Be cool if we could be just that way maybe?
just a chat on how I see it. We are brain dead on nutrition point blank.
Just eat what suits you the best. Eliminate things if one feels horrible. EAT ALL you thrive on and go forward without reading too damn much is what worked for me finally and donât look back or question too much ever. Our finest self if not on some chart, or timeline graph, or perfect against some lab test means nothing in the end if everyday we eat our ultimate to suit us best. Is there anything better than just that? NOPE!, yet we still wonder and theorize against our own bodiesâŠI wonât do that anymore
Reading your posts, I am wondering (just to add another thought to the mix) whether some of these effects are as much about our bodily needs in the moment, as they are about the properties of the foods. Animals have been demonstrated to have something of an instinct for eating foods with nutrients that they need, and while we are less controlled by our instincts, I wonder if we donât still have those instincts, at least to some extent.
Iâm not sure this is all that helpful a notion, and I have no idea how to go about testing it, but it struck me from reading Karenâs and Bobâs posts.
good call and good thought.
when we eliminate we âtruly gear towardsâ foods we require but when we go super restrictive and have to fight against ALL the food out there in the worldâŠdoes one listen to the body or does one cave?
my key thought is STAY the HECK on plan and eat what you crave and need on that plan! ONE can never go wrong, and EAT darn well, til super satified and then one never thinks âdo I require this supp or that extraâ or add this or that when real food will correct the issue, but we have âadvanced brainsâ that can screw us over time and time again, I know it fâd me up alot of times
Our instincts are so overidden by global life and issues that again, I always say many donât have a prayer and I mean that in full terms of this planet let alone our local health changes we wanna meet on the small scale of just change meâŠchange me and what? What is next when we are overbombarded on an instant scale now in this life? I dontâ know, just thoughts on it all
You might enjoy reading âThe Dorito Effectâ by Mark Schatzker. He wrote a book about how processed foods and artificial flavors have tricked our bodies into thinking they are getting the nutrients they need due to the taste; but, of course, the processed foods are devoid of those nutrients.
This podcast is about his latest book. It is also very thought provoking.