Mark's Daily Apple is advocating...nuts?


#21

Nope! real life results busted that one a long time ago for me long before I went to CKD/TKD. One of the biggest things that started me losing fat again was not eating so much fat even when doing standard keto.

I pretty much gave up on all that blanket hatred of basically everything, One crowd blames everything on PUFA’s, another on Oxalate’s, artificial sweeteners, lectins, you name it. None of it is terrible in normal amounts, we’re simply not that damn fragile. People by nature must have a source to blame, so they cling to something.


#22

I probably would be a pecan addict… That’s even better than walnuts! Only ate it once in my life, I guess? As I never met it until a few years ago, it’s still not very available here and I have walnuts and try to stay close to carnivore… So I just don’t buy it ever. Maybe in December? That’s such a relaxed month for me…
I don’t even know how macadamia nuts taste like… I surely had them in some nut mix before but it wasn’t memorable, it seems. But pecans were The Best. Almost walnuts just even better. Though walnuts aren’t all the same either, good walnuts are quite great and walnut is my number 2 nut, only slightly losing to pecan even if I compare the average walnut to the awesome pecan I ate once. And walnut trees are everywhere around here. I meet dozens if I take a walk and almost everyone with a garden has 1-2 walnut trees (but not me! well I have but they are babies still and walnut trees take their sweet time to grow and bear fruit and produce a spectacular view and shade… they are very pretty, majestic, useful trees when they become big!).

@robintemplin: Thank you!!! I am so happy my silly internet+food addiction writings have some value. I try and sometimes I can be mildly informative and more or less entertaining as far as I can tell but probably repetitive and boring too, I don’t know. I do think about food and my eating way too much… But with these exciting topics and views in this forum? I have no chance. It’s a good place. If I am addicted to some forum again, at least it should widen my horizon and entertain me, make me think… I had it way worse in my past.

To me, eating grains seem a challenge, I can’t imagine how utterly desperate our anchestors had to be to work hard with those few hard seeds to convert them into some not good but edible stuff…
Nuts are loads better. Even if they are tricky walnuts where a big part just doesn’t come out due to the weird shape (normal noble walnuts aren’t like that but there are plenty worse ones) and there is a disease where the outer husk stick to the seed. That isn’t fun to crack but I did it when ALL the nuts were like that and I ate all the 2 years old walnuts… As walnuts last for years when not broken and kept at a moderately dry place. We keep them outside in winter (not exactly dry but not buried in the mud, it’s enough) and they are fine. (The diseased ones spoil easily, though. And the very big ones as well, for some reason, it seems. But most of them are just as good after 2 years as fresh.)

I just looked at the article…

Pick walnuts off tree or the ground underneath, and you’ll have green, smelly hands for a day or two.

I never ever heard about such things… They must have VERY different walnuts so I will talk about ours. I would LOVE to pick walnuts with a green husk these bad years! That’s awesome, pure joy here! Try some black one stuck to it, still wet, it’s like mud just way more sticky… This year is better but I still can’t be choosy if I want a decent amount of walnuts after 2 very bad years… 3 years ago it was all fine and dandy… And the stuck insides were great food for the tits… Chickadee, that’s the other word. But tit sounds better. We have blue and great tits and it NEVER gets old :smiley:
Nope, the green husk simply dries, it doesn’t make any mess, normally. I saw still wet green husks sometimes, no big deal, no smell either as far as I can tell. And it’s rare. Most walnuts (in proper years) simply fall out of the totally cracked, opened and dried husks and you can pick up a clean, beautiful seed (well maybe with some black threadlike things but that’s still okay just less beautiful. but it’s usually very beautiful right from below the tree!). Unless it fell into the mud or something. I still pick them up, no big deal, I don’t expect collecting walnuts after a storm (when they fall in bigger amounts) to be a totally clean job… Sometimes the husk is there but very much cracked and it’s a tiny movement to get out the seed. I found one with a not cracked green one this year. And several black ones, the wet stuff is something I just can’t handle but eventually it dries and the seed may or may not be available. If it still stuck to it, I give up as I can crack those but it’s awful and I did it in the last 2 years, no more. We both got used to longer walnutless periods already.
But it often come out with some effort… At least partially and that’s good enough for me, I just crack the half-stuck ones first before they spoil.

With little work I get a lot of nice, calorie-rich, ready to eat walnuts (I don’t care about soaking, that’s so raw veganism to me :smiley: my fav was soaking and drying poppy seeds… yeah, sure. I sprouted them instead but that was such a chore too) while all vegetables need a lot of work for the little nothing they provide… Especially in my garden where the soil is still bad. If nothing else, they want to get watered. Nuts and fruit trees are just there, bearing lots of fruit without nearly any work being done on them. I know that’s not the norm but I do it like that. This year was weak but usually I have way too much fruit and they are extremely tasty. Only the best fruits can compete with pork if it’s about tastiness according to my tastebuds and I have some of those best fruits… Even the sugar can’t ruin the tastiness. It just makes the eating harder and less tempting (the looks work against that though) but the flavors are there, being amazing so no regrets when I get over of that problem.

Ooops, I started to write about my love towards fruit again. At least I am not in the carni thread (multiple threads but usually one, sometimes 2 current ones at a time), I did it so many times there during the years…

Maybe I take shots tomorrow about some walnuts. I have a real beauty too, it’s my favorite kind but it’s rare. A neighbor has such a tree (and a normal one). A round walnut without any hint of blackness, thin, super easy to break shell and easy to get out tasty inside… But the normal nuts are pretty too, at least they were all my life until 3 years ago. It’s a half-black year now (or more like 3/4? most trees are full black, some are partially black and some are normal) but after the 2 pure black ones I am glad… Walnuts are quite expensive now, sometimes even more expensive than almonds.

Oh well, poor ones always can eat poppy seeds here, that’s cheap and tasty though nothing like walnuts. But many desserts using walnuts can be made with poppy seeds as well. Walnuts are more versatile as they are fine in savory things while poppy seeds have very little roles there. I added some to mixed oily seed wafers and it can go on top of neutral or salty baked things (though I had no idea about that in my childhood, we put them inside in big amounts instead) but that’s it. Oh now I miss my poppy seed “pasta” (the pasta is eggs, of course, me being me. and poppy seed, it’s a good flour and can be used alone. poppy seed flour, the reduced fat thing isn’t so good. I find most oily seed flours bad tasting even if the oily seed is very tasty)…
By the way, harvesting poppy seeds isn’t the best thing, I strongly prefer walnuts… Especially bad if we just don’t use chemicals and the typical pest infection happens (and we did kill a lot or else we would have no harvest at all)… But the flowers are pretty and it’s very easy to grow (but the seeds are cheap to buy and they are everywhere so I wouldn’t grow them)… It seems they are called opium poppies… Okay, those. The stuff that contains the seeds has the drug, the seeds contain trace amounts, maybe? One would get bellyache from overeating calories before it could cause any problems for a normal person.
I just put it here, maybe you don’t all know this. We always grew our own poppy seeds and we used a lot! :slight_smile: I typically use 120g a week for my SO’s breakfast cake (one breakfast cake and a tiny extra), I barely eat any ever but some people use it galore at Christmas, it’s traditional.

One thing I learned in this forum is that some people are that damn fragile. Getting sick from a little piece of vegetable, being very sensitive to the ratio of fat or the amount of salt, sweeteners wreak havoc… I saw a lot of problem with oxalates in the carni threads too…
In general? We probably aren’t so fragile indeed, humans are good at surviving on very different diets. Even the worst common ones keep people alive for a long time. They still can damage people, of course and some people want optimal health. And then come different beliefs, I don’t go into this… But some people really experience big problems when using various items even in tiny amounts.
And it’s often easier, better to completely avoid certain food groups or individual items. I understand it even though I love doing things not completely. But I can get away with it, usually. Sometimes it’s a slipperly slope… And others aren’t me.


(Robin) #23

@Shinita I grew up believing I wouldn’t like pecans, for some some stupid reason. Then in my 30’s probably, I felt obligated to try my mother-in-law’s pecan pie. Oh. My. Gawd!!! Life changer.

As for macadamias, I could take or leave them. I didn’t become a weirdo fanatic about them until I tried some that are roasted locally here in Wichita at The Nifty Nut House. Whoa.

But I had to give them up after I developed diverticulitis. I maybe could tolerate a few. But unfortunately I really can’t eat just a few. So… another love bites the dust.


(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #24

There are two kinds of walnuts. The one that will stain your hands and clothes with a simple touch are black walnuts. The shells are really thick and people often use their car/truck to crack them open… I grew up in an area where that was the only walnut locally. The English walnuts are much more user friendly. I love those.

But my true loves in the nut family are pecans, they were local where I grew up. Macadamia are wonderful, they go by other names in different countries. Hawaii and Australia seem to produce most that are available to me in the US. I have to watch how many I eat of both of those.


(Vic) #25

Calling nuts healthy is nuts.

They are not healthy at all.

I would eat a few nuts if I feel like it, but it will inflame me.
Not everything we do needs to be “Healthy” and perfect.
There is a reason why labels state if a product contains nuts. A small part of the population can not even survive eating nuts without modern medical intervention.


#26

Yeah, I talked with my SO and he reminded me of the existence of black walnuts… We weren’t sure it’s edible but it’s super hard and very pretty. I suppose one need to slice it with some powerful machine and sell as pendants, it’s worth the work then :smiley:

The black ones in the photo of the article were suspicious, definitely not normal walnuts BUT the other pics showed normal walnuts… Well I never saw the inside of a black walnut but the clean walnuts were about normal ones… The black has all those… ridges instead of some better word, maybe it’s understandable even if not correct? The normal walnuts are smoother (but they vary. I saw super smooth ones, a bit bumpy ones and very bumpy ones… I will include some old fun ones in my photo I promised :)).


#27

Healthy is individual to a great extent. Some people have huge problems with certain nuts, others can eat 200g a day for years without any problems…
Most people can handle them in little amounts. It doesn’t mean they are healthy, though…


(Bob M) #28

I think for some people, this works really well. This is what I went back to, also.

I think for others, Amber O’Hearn’s idea is that eating a lot of fat, and fat first, provides benefits to the insulin/glucagon ratio, which allows them a better basis for body fat loss. (Note that when she says “fat”, she means hunks of animal fat, like pork belly, beef suet, even butter, etc., not necessarily other types of fat.)

I think they both work, and I even think, higher fat when we start out could be better than lower fat. Assuming we correct a lot of our “insulin resistance”, I think lower fat might be better.

I also perceive higher protein tends to work for people who are more muscular and/or are lifting a lot. I fall into this category.

Does it work as well for people who are sedentary or doing only aerobics? I’m not sure.

I also think it might work better as we age, as protein absorption supposedly goes down.

Do I have any basis in fact for these ideas? Not really. It’s only observation. For instance, Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt, the “Diet Doctor”, is a larger male with quite a bit of muscle mass, so he seems like the person who would benefit from higher carb, lower fat/higher protein, and he did benefit. Add 90+ pounds to him and take away a lot of muscle mass, and I’m not sure.

I wish the 2 Keto Dudes would talk to advocates of each “camp” (particularly Amber O’Hearn and Ted Naiman) to flesh out their theories and why some people might benefit from one but not the other. In particular, is there a way to tell whether you’d benefit from higher protein or higher (animal) fat?

I tried eating a lot of suet first, then eating a much smaller portion of lean beef. That gave me an upset stomach. They suggested pork belly, I don’t like pork fat – it’s “mushy” and smells bad to me. I LOVE the pork fat from Fire in a Bottle’s pork (high in saturated fat), but it’s too pricey other than a treat. That fat is much firmer and has a “bite” regular pork fat does not.

I’m running out of fat to try, and can’t figure out how to get beef fat (other than suet). I could try eating butter, another suggestion, but that just does not seem palatable to me.


#29

Agreed, definitely seems many plateau on the fat fest version, but start losing fat again when the fat is dropped down.

Same here, results weren’t possible and recovery and DOMS was a nightmare before I up’d my protein to 1.5g/lb when I was really hitting the gym, I don’t drop it below 1g/lb now no matter what I’m doing.

Some people say no, but I’d think it’d be just as important since a sedentary persons body would be way more likely to start catabolizing muscle and keeping that amino flow going could/should help it maintain.

Agreed, when I finally convinced my mother to start drinking whey shakes (she never eats enough of anything) after a couple weeks she said her joints felt a million times better.

I’ll have to look him back up, I used to follow his stuff but that was a couple years ago and he was a smaller/thinner guy. Apparently he’s hit the gym! Good for that guy!