I think everyone will agree, The Keto WOE is exploding. Obviously, this is likely to mean, a lot of thinner, healthier people, which of course is good, right ?
But this is really going to slam the food industry. If we think beef is expensive now, what would it be like if the demand went up 300% ?!?!
And we already know what big Pharma thinks about Keto. I think all of us here would love to see diabetes mostly eliminated, as well as many other health issues. But obviously that’s going to cost big Pharma billions of $$$ !
I would have to imagine that they are going to retaliate somehow ?
Have you guys thought much about these things ? How do you think this is likely to play out ?
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
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The alternative is to destroy even more crop land—a finite resource—depleting it by growing grains and vegetables on it. Not only does this result in depleted soil, it also promotes erosion. There is not enough crop land to feed everyone on the planet, whereas there is plenty of agricultural land to feed foraging ruminants. Not only will this promote healthy, erosion-resistant soil, but also it will provide food for everyone.
Well I am already intermittent fasting or else I’d eat more meat…I think this helps somewhat. Instead of eating 3 times a day. Just once. Just once. Heck one of my coworkers who isn’t keto had a burger with fries and a shake for lunch and commented on having spaghetti and meatballs for dinner. She actually might have eaten more beef than I did that day except I had beef…ONCE. Go keto plus IF…save the beef.
What I hope happens is a return to small family farms and butcher shops that sell locally grown meat. Also that the CEOs of Monsanto suffer an ineradicable chigger infestation in their underwear drawers.
I don’t think it’ll ever happen, though. If corporations see the population trending towards keto eating, they’ll just diversify and start producing more “keto” convenience foods. Then their marketing departments will go to work convincing people that their foods are way more keto than that other company’s foods, and you have to eat their foods to be a true! keto! warrior!
Meanwhile big pharma will go to work manufacturing a pill that counteracts the effects of fumes from microwave cardboard trays or whatever, and sell it at a 2,000% markup.
People will try to live on the “keto” frankenfoods for a while and then get discouraged when it doesn’t work and go back to their old ways while the true ketoers lean over and ask, “Hey, are you gonna finish that ribeye fat?”
Hmmm. Why does intermittent fasting have anything to do with what you eat, when you eat ? I’ve done very minor trials of IF I’m doing a 26-30 hr fast once a week. Tried 50hrs and it sucked. Cost me too much down time. But eating more beef than I ever have ! In fact, I have another Tri Tip roast in the SV’er right now
I never thought of IF as being a way to cut down your total calorie intake, but rather, only having to do with the timing of your food intake, no ?
Also, I’ve lost just about all the weight (by the scale) that I wanted to lose (about 40 lbs). I’m weighing 209 at about 20% BF. But to be honest, if I could make a wish, I’d be weighing 240 @ 9%. I think that would take some serious beef eating I know those sound like pretty crazy numbers, but keep in mind, I was weighing 229lbs @ 11% BF just 5 years ago. So I KNOW what goes into all of this. And diet is the super easy part of the equation.
Although I am not consciously “cutting cals” d,oing IF just naturally does that for me. I consume less than I did when I ate 3 squares of keto meals a day. I feel fuller on less (although I consume more cals on carnivore and also keto than I did on carbs. It’s actually less food. ) And if I was doing the regular way of eating before even keto, I’d be eating 3 meals a day and overeating even meat…but also unfortunately eating breads and pastas that go with it. i.e. prior to keto I was eating spaghetti with ground beef for lunch and dinner. For weeks! I am sure I was eating just as much ground beef at that time as I sometimes do on carnivore. i.e. today will be one of those days. Completely full on my beef dish from this morning. Can’t eat anymore…so already saving the environment.
Ok. I get you. I’m only eating two meals a day… a big breakfast, and a good sized dinner. And trying to do this in an 8hr span, then going 16 hrs until breakfast… But sometimes dinner happens later than I’d prefer. Plus trying to have any Keto snacks, fat bombs etc between breakfast and dinner.
And it has worked perfectly.
The really hard part is coming though ! I need to get back into working out like as freaking mad man, 6 days a week… Hoping for a little muscle memory lol
I haven’t eaten since Monday so I feel I’m doing my part to reduce consumption LOL.
Seriously though, it is an interesting question and I’m far too much of a conspiracy theorist to start contemplating what big pharma will do as it’s just too scary.
I honestly think the extreme popularity will burn out once the new fad diet comes out because the special interests won’t allow government recommendations to change and the corrupt politicians want to keep their jobs so they’ll continue to keep those special interests happy. Right now among the masses keto is considered a “fad diet”. The ignorant masses just don’t care enough to do the research and just want a quick weight loss solution and when they don’t get it they will give it up and complain that it doesn’t work.
As far as pharma… they are in the market to make people sick so those ignorant people I spoke about will keep them well financed. As far as the meat industry, there are enough vegans, vegetarians, and pescaovolactowhomawhatevers, and peta loving hippies to keep the demand in check.
In the end, I don’t think anything will change anywhere in the near future. The demand of corporation greed and general bottomline will aways outweigh the heath of the general population. Needless to say I have zero faith in humanity. lol
Hmmmm. I kind of hear what your saying… And I say to this, “maybe… Somewhat… Kinda sorta”…
But their is also a part of me that thinks “many” (never all) people will start to see that Keto “is not” just a passing fad, but rather, an actual thing, that really works !
It’s a gigantic ship, that will be slow to turn. But I think it eventually might ?
Also no matter how many people come over to Keto there will be 100 x as many people who won’t give up bread, fries and sugary foods, let alone the “healthy grains and fruit”. Sugar is a drug and not everyone wants to sober up. Just won’t happen.
Indeed, but I fear a nearly-perfect storm of demand, i.e. rapidly increasing world population and increasing per-capita meat consumption, while supply remains almost fixed.
For people that can cook real food (or marry someone who can) and are happy without carbs this is so easy. For those who eat out of a box or fast food I can see that this may be difficult or not possible. And I get that so they will have to decide what is best for them. I mean we still have smokers out there.
Back to the OP: Meat will go up due to keto but more so due to reduction of meat agenda by the vegan and global warming communities. About big pharma, I have read probably 5 or 6 books on keto and cancer. When the relationship of carbs and cancer is better known not only will big agra be pissed but when the cure doesn’t require expensive drugs as part of the treatment big pharma won’t be happy either. I think of keto as a anti cancer diet. I may be proven wrong one day but I will take my chances on keto now.
We seem to have two separate topics woven together under a single heading. Perhaps an Admin can untangle this braid…
ORIGINAL TOPIC:
I think the effect on the planet has a lot to do with the kind of farming and/or grazing that dominates any increase in meat production. There are sustainable methods on the one hand, and soil-depleting methods, on the other. Things could get a lot worse… or a lot better depending on how agri-business approaches heightened demands for meats. Personally, I’m a pessimist on this outlook.
SECOND TOPIC:
At first blush, it’s understandable to think of IF as simply a matter of timing of meals - ignoring the cumulative volume of food intake or macronutrient composition. But to do so ignores the interrelated dynamics within our metabolic system.
In a normal healthy functioning body, insulin spikes with each round of ingestion. Therefore, the more rounds of ingestion - and the closer they are timed together - the more insulin and other hormones engage in their interconnected dance (which in turn affects hunger level, digestion, fat storage vs burning, etc.)…
So, put simply, the timing of how one eats will definitely affect total hunger and therefore the comfortable, sustainable level of calories - and importantly - what happens to those foods that are ingested.
You can’t really untangle the timing of foods eaten from the effects a particular diet has on one’s metabolism.
Anyone with science in hand, please correct me if I’m off track!
I’m doing a 26-30 hr fast once a week. Tried 50hrs and it sucked. Cost me too much down time. But eating more beef than I ever have ! In fact, I have another Tri Tip roast in the SV’er right now 
Rationing by price.