Macros without counting?


#1

I am hopeless at macros, so I need it to be as simple as possible and in a visual format.

For simplicity’s sake, can I just eat meat, fish, chicken seafood, eggs, avocados, and ad-libitum green leafy vegetables? All of that supplemented with oil, butter, sour cream, and cheese. No nuts, no berries because I tend to binge on those. Wine only on Friday and Saturday night.

Does that sound like a good plan to keep me on the right track?


(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #2

It depends.
Different people are able to do different things.
If I were not logging all the food, I would be weighing and measuring constantly.


(Rob) #3

Research ‘Lazy Keto’ or intuitive keto and see what others do. I log everything because while I know what I eat normally, when I do something different (e.g. meal out, or want to shake things up with new meal frequency etc.) I need to know what it is and maybe adjust other things.


(Brian) #4

Natural inclinations are all over the place. There is no way any of us could tell what any other of us would over-eat or under-eat if given just free choice of anything we wanted.

Some people have trouble with eating too much protein. I typically have to purposefully make sure I eat enough. Some people eat too many veggies, often including ones that have higher carbs. If I overdo, it’s probably here, so I tend to pay more attention to the veggies that I eat and the amounts. Fat isn’t hard for me because I love butter, eggs, cream, cheese, and have ample fat stores stored internally. So my fat intake tends to work itself out just about right, at least for where I am on this journey, by natural inclination.

I’m fortunate in that being a creature of habit, the foods in the house and the meals that we generally eat have, over time, become what we lean towards automatically. It took a good bit of thought initially. Not so much anymore. From time to time, there is a bit of re-evaluation, especially if finding a new restaurant or trying out a new food. But an egg at the beginning is still pretty much the same thing as the egg that I ate at month 1, the egg that I ate at month 2, the egg that I ate at month 3… well, you get the point. (Getting hungry for some deviled eggs… think I’ll make some for supper.)


#5

I do this. I CANNOT count and measure and weigh my food. Eating cannot turn into a math project for me, personally. I eat meat and greens, and lots of fat. A T of almond butter here or a square of lily’s dark chocolate there or a T of coconut butter but those I measure cuz way too much yumminess there. I don’t measure bacon and eggs, meat or small portions of green veg. I just can’t and I’m doing fine


(Brandy Fischbach) #6

If it works for you, go for it. If you end up gaining or stalling, then take a step back and look at your macros. I tried lazy keto (just counting carbs), but was gaining some weeks. I started counting my fat and had to add a substantial amount to meet my macros. I’ve been losing consistently ever since.


#7

Thanks everyone.

Yes, I have been stalled for 4 months after an initial loss. I continue to fast, but I tend to overeat on eating days.


#8

Tracking and logging stuff got old after the first couple weeks. I suppose I’m one of those “lazy keto” people now.


(Rob) #9

Having seen the photos you posted in another thread, I’m not sure this is a stall per se. I know you have a DEXA that says one thing but the eyes clearly say another. It is more than possible that you body is perfectly happy where it is and that no amount of just keto will get you further. That last 10 pounds is what your brain wants, not necessarily what you body does and we know who is the master in that game.

You could try keto plus some hardcore cross-fit or similar but consider that keto isn’t some magic abs revealer for most.


(Ken) #10

The easiest way to visualize a lipolytic (keto) macro is to eat one third fat, two thirds meat. If anything, a little more fat. On your fork, a chunk of meat along with a chunk of fat around half it’s size.


#11

Thanks, that’s helpful. Would you worry about carbs in the green vegetables?


#12

For me, mentally, it is a lot easier to not eat and then feast rather than moderate at every meal. For that reason I’ve never done straight keto, it’s always keto with fast/feast cycles. I am also training at the gym at least 4 times a week. I agree that my body is at odds with my esthetic notions, but I am stubborn and unwilling to give up :joy:. I know that sounds vain, but I’ve never had a nice beach body, and I am so close, I can taste it…


(Rob) #13

And there is nothing wrong with that. Just as long as you know that it probably isn’t in the power of keto to grant you your aesthetic wishes alone, then you won’t be frustrated with the WoE portion and can concentrate on the other elements that will get you there.

I have a friend who had very ambitious fitness goals including BF% and she ate clean and paleo for a long time, but it took becoming a nationally ranked cross-fitter to get to her target state (though once she started that became a goal in itself - she loves the CFit).

It won’t hurt to shake up your diet via calories, macros, supplements, etc. to see what you can achieve and there are enough examples of different people having success with different strategies just on these boards to make your head spin. With ambitious goals it seems also worth considering playing with carb levels depending on your metabolic flexibility and workout regime. So much emerging science about that, extolling the virtues of shorter, harder workouts etc. that you should have a ton of fun :grin::grimacing::face_vomiting: working out how to get there.
Congratulations on your progress so far and best of luck with the next phase.


#14

OMG, nationally-ranked cross fitter is so far from reality for me, it’s not even funny. I’d settle for a bit less cellulite at this point :wink: