Low heart rate when sleeping


#1

Early this year at a doctor’s visit I discovered my blood pressure had gone way up. She put me on bp meds and I started walking and doing some weight lifting.

BP came down and I don’t need the meds anymore. :grinning: I still suspect the nasty virus I had in January caused some damage that raised my BP, but I will never be able to prove that. Anyway, one of my sons gifted me a Fitbit a couple of months back and I’ve been wearing it faithfully. It now shows my resting heart rate going as low as 43 while I sleep.

My husband this is unnatural. I feel great. I walk 4 - 5 miles a day and am otherwise active in my garden, yard and home. I continue to lose fat, although much more slowly than I once did.

One new thing is that I’m doing ADF. Could the fasting be contributing to low resting heart rate and is it something I should worry about? I feel great, have lots of energy and generally sleep pretty well. Thoughts? Do I need more salt or something?


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #2

I think you’ve answered your questions:

I feel great, have lots of energy and generally sleep pretty well.

You husband my think this is unnatural, but how does he feel?


#3

Hi Michael. Thanks for your comment. For a person on a SAD diet, I think he pretty healthy because he bikes or runs every day. He is slim. But his heart rate is generally higher.

I just don’t want to be killing myself and not do something to stop it. :smile: I do feel good, so I think I’m healthy. Just wanted to know if other people on Keto know something I don’t and should.


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #4

In the absence of other symptoms…

…a lower heart rate at rest implies more efficient heart function and better cardiovascular fitness. For example, a well-trained athlete might have a normal resting heart rate closer to 40 beats per minute.

Source.

As long as you continue to feel well, alert and energetic I wouldn’t worry about it. Virtually everything is based on people eating a high carb diet. Applicable to eating a very lo/no carb diet… who knows?


#5

Thanks for the additional information. I don’t consider myself athletic at all, but I am far more healthy than I have all my adult life. I’m doing ADF, and that’s when it’s been the lowest at night.

I did a search on this forum and found old posts that seemed to indicate someone thought they were getting too much potassium. I do eat high potassium foods on the days I eat. I eat a lot on my eating days.

Anyway, thanks!


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #6

If you are getting enough salt, your potassium is likely to stay under control, unless you have some abnormality. If you are getting headaches (especially migraines), suffer episodes of dizziness or lightheadedness, or are experiencing constipation, you probably need a bit more salt (it’s the first thing to try, anyway). If you are experiencing something that is the reverse of constipation, you can ease up on the salt a bit.

Like the other people who have posted in this thread, I don’t see any particular problems with a low heart rate, unless you are experiencing symptoms that make you feel ill.


#7

Thanks PaulL! I don’t have any of those symptoms. Just noticed that my RHR has been low at night. During the day when I am just sitting around it is usually around 46, give or take. Higher when I’m moving around.

I checked it out online - google - and saw that the “normal” RHR for “very fit women” is between 54 - 49. My husband also looked it up and said mine is too low. So that made me wonder.

I looked on this forum since I figured people on Keto might be different, but haven’t found much. That’s why I posted this question. I guess I’m fine. I feel good. Just don’t want to die in my sleep any time soon. :smile:


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #8

I get you. Dying in your sleep could ruin your whole day. :grin:

Fortunately, it sounds as though you’re golden.


(charlie3) #9

I’ve been doing diet and exercise for a couple of years. Last summer I walked two hours daily for 6 months, 50 miles a week, nothing special, thousands of mail carriers do the same. During that time, according to a fitbit watch, my overnight resting heart rate declined from the low 60’s to the low 50’s. I’m 71. A heart rate in the 40’s is probably not bad if it’s a result of drug free training.


#10

Thank you Charlie! I appreciate your input. No one has sounded worried, so that’s good!


(Bunny) #11

It sounds really good? Slower metabolism longer life?

Professional Opinion: Does a slower heart rate lead to a slower metabolism?

“…The average resting heart rate ranges from 60 to 80 beats per minute, although well-trained athletes sometimes have a resting heart rate as low as 40 beats per minute. …” …More


#12

Thank you, Bunny! I read the site you linked. Interesting!


(Cristian Lopez) #13

@GreeneggsNham Actaully thats quite interesting because I work out atleast for 2 hours, 5 days a week, fast for 16 hours every day, am 13% percent bodyfat, weigh 141 lbs, and eat a low carb, not keto, diet now.
We have some things in common, but take a look at this, ever since I ran cross country as a freshmen (18 year old senior now) I’ve been reading this when I sleep.

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(Bunny) #14

And

I think that is why and my thoughts get fixated on Dr. Fung’s words in his interview about three meals a day being burned into our brains? Then think WHO? is telling us we have to eat three meals a day; not unless your being strapped and harnessed to a horse wagon and pulling carts loaded with boxes of heavy stuff all day long?

When I look at the research on RMR/BMR/REE it seemingly can be controlled through diet and fasting?

Reading Dr Fung’s transcripts are like Zen:

”…Let’s talk about the basal metabolic rate changes during fasting. So during fasting, what you see in this study was over four days of fasting, you can see the weight is steadily dropping, which is what we expect, and then the REE, which is the Resting Energy Expenditure actually goes up over four days of fasting. If you measure how many calories somebody is expending [00:00:30] after four days of not eating anything, it’s actually 10% higher than when he started. The body isn’t shutting down which is something that you hear all the time, oh, the body’s going into starvation mode, it’s shutting down. It doesn’t shut down, it ramps itself up.
If you look at VO2, which is a measure of how much work the body is doing, again, it goes up by about 10%, sort of confirming this increase in energy expenditure. The reason is simple to understand. [00:01:00] If your noradrenaline is going up, you’re going to be expending more energy. Sympathetic tone goes up, so remember the sympathetic nervous system is a general activation of the body, so-called fight or flight response. If you see a lion, for example, your sympathetic nervous system shoots way up, and then you pump a lot of energy into your body so that you can run away or fight. This is a very mild stimulus to the sympathetic tone, but again, it’s activating the body, not shutting it [00:01:30] down.

If you look at the next slide, what you see is a study where they did people, they took people and put them on 22 days of alternate daily fasting, and what you see is that the resting metabolic rate, the RMR goes from 6675 to 6329, but that’s not significant, so again, no drop in basal metabolic rate. What you see is that increase in fat oxidation and an decrease in carbohydrate oxidation. So you’re switching from burning sugar to burning fat, [00:02:00] which is perfect, because that’s what we want to do. We want to burn our body fat. We want to burn it at the same rate that we were burning it before. We just want to use up that fuel.

This study from 2016, again, compared CR which is chronic calorie restriction, so the sort of standard advice, cut 500 calories a day sort of advice to ADF, which is alternate daily fasting. If you look at the adjusted resting metabolic rate, the adjusted RMR in the [00:02:30] box, what you see is the CR group, the calorie restriction group dropped their metabolic rate by 76 calories per day, which is statistically significant. The alternate daily fasting group dropped it by 29.2 with a p value of .4, which is actually not statistically significant.

In other words, what the study shows is if you simply cut your calories, your metabolic rate is going to go down and that’s [00:03:00] bad because you’re not burning as much calories. If you do the fasting, on the other hand, there’s no statistically significant drop in your basal metabolic rate, which is good because now, one, you’ve switched over to burning fat, but you’re burning it at the same rate you were before. …” …More


(Ellenor Bjornsdottir) #15

a longer life is not necessarily a better, or more diseaseproof life.


(Bunny) #16

…as long as your natural vigor and health (vitality) never ebate you when you take your last breath…I’m still looking for the best Okinawan cook book on Amazon to fulfill my starchy desires…lol


#17

I’ll agree with the others that you don’t seem to have a problem, but it’s also worth mentioning that a FitBit is only so accurate! I won’t use FitBit’s anymore but as far as I know they don’t do constant readings, they take snapshots and average them. Average’s rarely tell an accurate story.


#18

Thank you all for your responses! Bunny, those excerpts from Dr. Fung were interesting.

The Fit-bit was a surprise gift from my eldest son. I find it interesting, and now I’m looking at things like heart rate that I never bothered with previously! :smile:

I feel reassured. Initially I was a bit alarmed after looking up “normal” RHR on the net. But all of that information is based on people on a SAD diet and probably not fasting. So I won’t worry unless I begin to feel poorly.