Lipids, Bloodtests, and Crappy Doctor's Email and Diet


(Athena) #1

Hi Everyone,

Wow, am I upset. I went Keto August 2, 2017. I’ve lost 70 lbs, reversed my diabetes and gone off diabetes and blood pressure meds. I was on a statin when first started this, but chucked those in the trash day 1, when I learned about those, too and yes, my doctor was aware of all of these med changes.

I put off getting a lipid test until now, for a lot of reasons. Now I wish I had kept putting it off. Below is an email I got from my doctor along with some frightening diet she wants to put me on, I guess to give me back my diabetes? Obviously I am not considering it. I’m just very upset by her email.

Clearly I’ve made a lot of progress, yet all she sees is cholesterol? Aren’t my triglycerides good? She said nothing about my A1c.

My triglyceride/HDL cholesterol ratio that I read about here is 2.47. That’s pretty good, right? I’m bummed my A1c has not budged in 3 months. I am still in a stall :frowning:


Hi Athena,
Your cholesterol is high. Medication for lowering cholesterol is recommended in your case. Please schedule an appointment to discuss. I have enclosed a diet to review. If you are interested, we have cholesterol classes as well.

Don’t hesitate to call or email me back if there are any questions.

GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT CHOLESTEROL

Total cholesterol consists of two main components, HDL and LDL. High-density lipids (HDL) is considered “good”. Low-density lipids (LDL) is considered “bad”. HDL should be equal to or greater than 40. LDL should be less than 130 depending on your risk factors. If you have diabetes or coronary artery disease your LDL total should be less than 100 and in some cases even lower. Abnormal triglyceride level is greater than 149. Weight loss, a low fat and low carbohydrate diet can help improve these levels. Your total cholesterol may exceed a “normal” level of 200 but be acceptable if your LDL is low or your HDL is high.

PRINCIPLES TO REDUCE CHOLESTEROL:

High blood cholesterol levels are associated with an increased risk of hardening of the arteries which may lead to heart attack and/or stroke. A diet low in fat (especially saturated fat) with generous amounts of high fiber carbohydrates may help reduce blood cholesterol and the risk of these medical problems.

Any food from an animal has cholesterol. Any food from a plant does not. This is helpful to keep in mind when planning a low cholesterol diet.

GOALS:

  1. Reduce total fat and cholesterol intake.
  2. Eat more unsaturated fats (usually liquid vegetable oils such as olive or canola oils) than saturated fats (animal or hydrogenated fats).
  3. Enjoy generous amounts of high fiber grains, fruits and vegetables.
  4. If you are overweight, follow guidelines for weight management.

FOR DAIRY:

  1. Try non-fat milk
    Avoid of whole milk.
  2. Try yogurt, skim milk cheeses, low fat cottage cheese or ricotta
    Avoid chedder, monterey jack, and other whole milk cheeses.
  3. Try ice milk
    Avoid of ice cream or cream.

FOR MEATS AND OTHER PROTEIN FOODS:

  1. Try fish, poultry without skin, and vegatable proteins like dried beans, split peas, lentils, soy beans or tofu
    Avoid fatty meats such as hamburger, corned beef, luncheion meats, bacon, sausage, and ribs…
  2. Try lean meats like chuck, flank or round steak, or center cut pork (once a week)
    Avoid shrimp, lobster, fried meats, organ meats (liver, heart, kidney, brains).
  3. Try egg white or egg sustitute
    Avoid egg yolks (maximum 2 per week)

FOR FATS AND OILS:

  1. Try margarines with a liquid vegetable oil listed as the first ingredient
    Avoid of margarines listing partially hydrogenated fat or hydrogenated fat as the first ingredient or lard. Soft margarine is better. Avoid butter.

  2. Try liquid cooking oils such as canola, safflower, corn, cottonseed, sunflower, sesame, or olive oil

  3. Try oil type salad dressing like italian
    Avoid creamy salad dressings like blue cheese, roquefort, or thousand island.

FOR FRUITS AND VEGETABLES:

  1. Try eating liberal amounts of fruits and vegetables. Eating them unpeeled will get you the most fiber.

FOR GRAINS AND STARCHES:

  1. Try whole grain breads and cereals, oat bran, rice, potatoes, yams, and pasta.
    Avoid breads made with extra fats such as waffles, biscuits, cornbread, muffins, pancakes
  2. Try low fat crackers like graham, saltines, matzoh, rye crisp.
  3. Oatmeal especially steel cut on a regular basis has been shown to lower Total Cholesterol.

SWEETS AND ALCOHOL:

  1. Try low fat sweets such as geletin, sherbet, fudgesicles, popsicles.
    Avoid high fat desserts such as ice cream, choclate, pie, cake, cookies, donuts, pastries.
  2. Limit sweets and alcohol if you have high tryglycerides.

(Ron) #2

You say this was an email? Can you respond back with an email of your own? If so, I would load it up with links disputing her claims (oh-educating her :smirk:).:grimacing:


(Rob) #3

I would ignore this horror show of advice. Your HDL is going up, Trigs going down, LDL is expected to go up for many ketonians but without a lipid fraction analysis it’s hard to prove (though expected to be) that it is fine (fluffy).

As yo said, you might have wanted to hold off on this but it shows lots of good signs. The A1C not moving is a little annoying but at this stage of keto your body is still doing adjustments and lowering insulin etc. which can take a long time. Sadly (for them) you know more than your doctor. You are doing great. KCKO!


(Athena) #4

Thanks @Capnbob. Yes, @mtncntrykid, I can email her back, but I just don’t know if I want to get into it with her.


(Ron) #5

I do understand that.:hushed:


(Chris W) #6

What I love about all that advice is that cannot prove that any of it actually works.
Every signal piece of advice is contrary to what a keto diet is about, and yet your numbers are improving.
Its very obviously a canned letter response.


(Joy) #7

This is not a very mature response on my part, but maybe you’ll find some perverse comfort in knowing I want to grab that so-called medical professional by their labcoat lapels and shake some sense into them on your behalf. You deserve credit for your progress. Yay, you!


(Wendy) #8

This is one of the reasons I just don’t go to doctors.
Your doing great. She’s blinded by her biases. Keep up the awesome job!


(Kaiden) #9

I cheat on my cholesterol tests. It’s more fun that way.


(Omar) #10

are you stuck with her?

If not , find you another doctor.

She is practicing what they taught her in the medical
text books. she does not have enough brain cells to
deviate .

I do not like to argue with doctors.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #11

Ask to re-take the tests in three months, say. In the meantime, go to Dave Feldman’s site, www.cholesterolcode.com, and learn what you have to do to manipulate the results. And be sure to send him both these results, and the new, better ones you get, for his records. You can do this! :bacon:


(Athena) #12

@PaulL, I actually did go to Dave Feldman’s site before the bloodtest and attempted to do the 3-day method.

I’ve decided I am going to email my doctor back saying I won’t be going (back) on a statin, nor will I be going on her suggested (awful) diet. I’m taking a few days to cool down to compose something.


(Athena) #13

Now my Microalbumin test came back. Has this gotten better? Does anyone know? It says at the bottom of my results: “Reference Range not established for this analyte.” Well, if they don’t know what a good number is, why do this test!?

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(Roy D Rushing Jr ) #14

You could respectfully reply that you are more concerned about the status of your diabetes than you are your cholesterol currently. Adopting the diet she sent for review would undo everything you’ve done to address that, and so you must decline.

As for that last test, I’m assuming that the test itself will serve as a reference for future tests. It may only matter to them what direction the numbers are moving in, not what they start at.


(Shayne) #15

I would simply ignore the email and KCKO.


(Athena) #16

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to give an update. I did write my doctor. I did so mainly because I do want to see her one last time before we move. I didn’t want to have to rush to find a new doctor in Oregon. So here is what I wrote her, and then her very brief response.

----I wrote:
Hi, In 2016 you put me on Atorvostatin. I did a lot of research and decided statins aren’t for me and went off this med in early Aug '17. I told you this at an appointment either on 08/10/17 or 10/27/17. From what I see, my triglycerides are going down and my HDL is going up, which is good. In order to see what’s really going on, we’d need to do a fraction test. Those who eat the way I do don’t have their small-dense LDL rise. In general, falling trigs and falling small particle LDL seem to go hand-in-hand. Another way to look at this is the TG/HDL-C ratio, and this is looking great! A ratio of less than 2 is ideal and I’m on my way there. Right now my number is 2.47. Years ago, on 07/08/16 my number was 5. To sum this up, I’m not interested in going on a statin.

I would appreciate it if you would would take a look at these links: https://youtu.be/QetsIU-3k7Y & https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19081406

On another note, my son’s transfer to the Oregon Trader Joe’s came through and we will be moving there in mid-July. We are so happy to be getting out of California!

I will see you on 07/25/18 for my health maintenance exam.—

She wrote back:

“As long as you are making an informed decision, which you clearly are, I totally support you in whatever you decide.”

See you soon"

Pretty lame, I think; I don’t think she looked at the links. Oh well.


#17

You have no protein in your urine now. Proteinuria can be a sign of kidney damage, something that’s common in diabetics, so that’s excellent!


(Karen Parrott) #18

May want to remove your doctors name on the OP. She’s merely Using kaisers cut and paste recommendation template which is based on the US guidelines. Until those guidelines change that Kaiser cut-and-paste won’t change


(Athena) #19

@Noapples4u, I don’t believe I ever had protein in my urine, at least no doctor ever told me did?

Does anyone know how long it’s necessary, or is it – to continue to do this urine test? This doctor told me I should continue to do it because my sugars were high for a few years at one time in my life, but never said for how long I have to keep doing the test.

@gardengirlkp, I’m not with Kaiser.


(Karen Parrott) #20

Interesting. Kaiser uses similar cut and paste. Sigh.