Has any one else seen this from sky news
This must be wrong or the data has been taken out of context?
Does any one know of the science to back it up? #science #showmethescience
Latest news reports saying keto can cause T2D š®
Bellyman
(Brian)
#3
Just stirring theā¦ pot. Thatās about all these articles do. Short on facts, long on drama and questionable logic. Unfortunately, someone out there will read it and think itās fact based science.
hedleylo
(Lonnie Hedley)
#4
ādiscovered the side-effects by feeding mice two different kinds of diet.ā
Give me cheese or give me deathā¦by diabetes.
jmpad
(Julie)
#6
Itās amazing how many scare mongering headlines I saw pop up in Google today based on this article.
Roy_D_Rushing_Jr
(Roy D Rushing Jr )
#7
Iām trying to understand the text of the study, but being a layman makes it hard.
It seems that they are talking about insulin resistance specifically in the liver. That makes a kind of sense to me given that in a ketogenic diet, a lot of the glucose in your body would originate from the liver. Itās literally making it to support brain function in the absence of dietary sugar. Iām not sure that idea bothers me so much. The abstract of the study ends with:
" These data suggest that the early effects of HFD consumption on EGP may be part of a normal physiological response to increased lipid intake and oxidation, and that systemic insulin resistance results from the addition of dietary glucose to EGPāderived glucose. "
Here HFD means āHigh Fat Dietā, which is somewhat misleading because theyāre actually talking about a diet that is high in both fat and carbs. The keto diet is listed as simply KD in the study. EGP is āendogenous glucose productionā. In other words, glucose thatās made by your liver. Systemic insulin resistance is diabetes, which they are treating somewhat separately from hepatic (liver) insulin resistance.
So the assertion is that the keto diet causes the liver to make more glucose (true), which makes the liver itself insulin resistant (makes sense). I canāt really see where they say this is necessarily a bad result though.
Conversely the SAD diet keeps the liver from producing additional glucose, which combined with dietary sugar is what causes diabetes. Itās implied that without this additional liver-produced glucose, there would be no systemic insulin resistance (T2D). Iām having trouble believing that part though.
MarkGossage
(bulkbiker)
#8
If you read up and see the diet they fed the mice you can see it is all bullshit and nothing like a ketogenic diet. The fat comes from Crisco Vegetable shortening which I doubt anyone here would touch. And of course as none of us are mice thenā¦or at least not last time I lookedā¦
lamehack
#10
I do find it funny when something good like keto gains traction, suddenly mainstream B.S. bombards you with some āstudiesā. this is not the first time I noticed a pattern, not just with keto.
those idiotic studies do not worry me, but what worries me is that there are enough ignorant dumbed down people who will buy into this nonsense. (and become big pharma customers later)
drewisme
(Drew Schmidt)
#11
I almost want to start laughing and scream FAKE NEWS. 
So Iāve been type 2 for 12 years. In hindsight, it was completely diet. I worked in the tech world where pizza and soda or a candy bar and a Mt. Dew kept me at my desk so we could keep working late into the night. I drank Mt. Dew like it was water!
So after a few months on Keto Iām now considered pre-diabetic and was only 2/10āths off from being normal. Iāve never had such control over my sugars or my health like I have had on Keto.
Iām actually watching my daily glucose (usually multiple times a day) and then getting blood work done every few months to compare my glucose, insulin, A1C and all the other factors. Things are only getting better. I have the lab results to show it. Not to mention most of my clothes are hanging off of me now.
Iāve read a lot of the other scary articles - like - ālong-term we have no clueā or āthis isnāt sustainableā - etcā¦etcā¦ Well the bottom line for me is that my diabetes or my weight were going to kill me in the first place. Keto has helped me lose weight and control my diabetes. Almost reversed it - - if it isnāt already. So you know - Iām willing to take a few more risks with Keto since my normal lifestyle was going to kill me anyhow.
One of the best comments from my 17 year old daughter - āDad, calm down, why are you so hyper now!ā - - I probably lumbered around a bit more when I was 50 pounds heavier!!!
drewisme
(Drew Schmidt)
#12
One more thing - Iām actually tracking my HOMO-IR and insulin and glucose levels. And using a formula to measure the 90 morning glucose levels to compare it to A1C. My insulin levels since November to July didnāt move. Yet my HOMO-IR, a measurement to show your insulin resistance improved.
Darystavia
(Lisa Poulson)
#14
I saw this article this morning on Gizmodo. It said the study was done over 3 days - that is way to short for a scientific study and to determine if a diet gives you diabetes. Sad that this is considered ānewsā or āscienceā!
OldDoug
(Doug)
#17
āSky News.ā Nobody even claimed it as their own. Not able to comment.
Pfftā¦
