Lactose intolerant

(Shromona Das) #1

I wish I could try writing this post with a little humour, but I’m too unwell. I’m having trouble digesting dairy products. Ghee in particular. I had a drop (literally) of ghee in the mashed spinach and immediately bloated. I’m feeling like vomiting and have such terrible headache. Feeling feverish. Happening everytime I’m having ghee lately. I am not handling butter well either. Is it even possible to do keto without butter? I don’t get avocados here, so my non dairy healthy fat is cold pressed coconut oil and mustard oil.
Help. Please. I’m losing hope.

#2

I’m a little surprised that butter (or ghee) is causing you problems as it’s my understanding that the amount of lactose present in either butter or ghee is very, very low. I’m lactose intolerant also, but am able to consume butter, ghee, and even cream cheese without problems.

Here are some non-dairy fats / oils to try…

  • Lard
  • Bacon grease
  • Olive oil
  • Coconut oil (which you’re using already)
  • Avocado oil (which is one of my favorites)
  • Palm oil

There are others too, but hopefully I’ve mentioned a few that you might not have considered.

(Shromona Das) #3

I’m not sure if I’m becoming lactose intolerant, but I’m OK with butter. I’m so surprised that this is happening. It’s only ghee that’s causing the problem. Indigestion, bloating, vomiting - all that is being caused by consuming even the slightest amount of ghee. But I love cream cheese and cheese and butter and have had a rather difficult two weeks long bloating. I just want to give up dairy in general and see if that makes a difference.

Problem is:

I don’t get avocados or avocado oil here.

Neither do we get bacon or animal fat much.

I’m worried about this, because I can’t be eating coconut oil with everything. We get plenty of chicken and mutton here so I could use the fat that comes with the meat. Is mustard oil any good?

(Sarah ) #4

This doesn’t sound like lactose intolerance at all. As other people have mentioned, there is very little lactose (aka milk sugar) in butter, much less ghee. That’s not what’s bothering your gintract, it’s something else.

Obviously some component of dairy is bothering you, and it sounds like you just need to give your body a rest. There dies not exist a world in which dairy is a necessary food, and that includes keto. Personally I love cheese and cream and my digestive system is strong in this area, but I know that people lIke me are not the norm, most humans arouhd the world do not do well with dairy, or at least have to limit their intake. It’s genetic.

Keto without dairy is absolutely fine. There are tons of online calculators, where you can figure out your approx. nutrient needs. Usually it’s about 5ish percent of your calories from carbs, about 20 ish percent of your calories from protein, and the remaining 75ish percent from fat. Dairy tends to be a great source of both protein and fat, but there are tons of other sources. A diet of a pound of low carb veggies, a pound of fatty meat, and as much fat (from oils, animal fats, nuts, avocaods, anything else that’s fatty) is probably pretty close to most humans ideal keto diet. Dairy is optional.

(Sarah ) #5

BTW fatty meats from animals that weren’t factory farmed, is considered a cornerstone of the keto diet, to many thinkers. Especially if you’re eating things like organ meats too, not just muscle meats.

(Shromona Das) #6

Thanks so much Sarah… Yes, I’m just a bit worried about the 75% part since unfortunately I don’t get beef or pork here. It’s only chicken and occasionally mutton. And I don’t like processed meat, so I’m not going to buy frozen stuff from the supermarket. Should I do flaslxseed oil and sesame oil? For dressing? I don’t get avocados either. So you see, it’s down to coconut oil and coconut oil which can’t be that great, but I’ll make do. I have no problem with butter or paneer (that’s Indian version of cream cheese) but I guess I was overeating them. I’ll go no dairy for a week and see. Oh I so wish I lived in a big city so I could munch on some bacon right now. But people here are so conservative (religiously) that they don’t sell beef/pork locally. Ughhhhh.

(Shromona Das) #7

We do get lovely grassfed goat meat though…and it’s fatty…I also use chicken with skin just to add a little fat. Is that OK?

(Sarah ) #8

At the end of the day, if it’s low carb high fat moderate protein, youre doing it right. Vegetable and seed oils are fine. Fat is fat, as far as keto is concerned, thpugh as far as health and nutrition is concerned, there is tons of information about why certain types of fat might be better than others, polyunsaturated fats, monounsaturated fats, saturated fats, omega 3, omaga 6, medium chain, long chain, the list goes on. And on and on. You have tons of time to do research after you settle in to a stable eating pattern . Personally I think your selection of meats and veggies sounds great, plus cooking oils and dressings and saucesk and add dairy as desired and tolerated.

(Shromona Das) #9

Thanks!! This is me thinking aloud:

I’ll do my regular IF. Maybe not OMAD like I use to. Maybe I’ll do a 18:6 or 20:4 depending on my hunger. If I’m not very hungry I may do OMAD.

Here’s the plan: it’s 10 in the morning here, I’ve had green tea and Darjeeling tea. I’ll do chicken broth for lunch. Have some curried cauliflower, some raw papaya, some leafy greens, a little piece of fish and and two poached eggs maybe. As for coconut oil- I may do a little fatbomb. Haven’t decided. Or may just cook with coconut oil and be done with it. I’ll have lemon water and ACV as usual. That’s it…

(Shromona Das) #10

I have some left over mango flavoured pastries (really thick creamy yum) made with whey protein and coconut oil but I’ll forcefully feed them to my friends so that I don’t fall in the trap of eating whey protein and erythritol in the process of recovering. I had dinner at 8 last night which caused the inflammation and swelling and bloating, and feel great after fasting thus far . I’m not happy eating at night. I can easily go without food at night but lunch is the most important meal for me (or the only important meal for me).

Dr berg says that every time we eat we spoke insulin. So I’m afraid to eat more than once.

#11

That grass fed goat meat sounds awesome, especially if you were to use some of the fattier cuts.

(Shromona Das) #12

Thanks Kevin… I’ve got some chicken skin as well. I usually heat it up and let it release all that meaty oil which I believe is also a possible good source of fat.

#13

Yes, adding the chicken skin sounds good too.