Ketosis doesn't matter

(Brian Rudene) #41

So many bro science guys make that claim. They’ll do keto for a couple months, lose weight and strength, and then go say “see, did keto. strictly. for two months. and i lost weight, strength and muscle. you can’t gain muscle on keto…” Sigh. If only they’d have kept going, once they were fully fat adapted they’d see muscle growth take off – without having to put on all the fat and crap. Thankfully I read Volek, Phinney and listened to Dominic D’Agostino at the beginning so I knew what to expect if I kept going. And sure enough!

(Brian Rudene) #42

My boy Robert Sikes over at Keto Savage is a great example of gaining muscle on keto. Dude is a body builder. He’s also an awesome guy who actually took the time to talk to me on the phone and help me out when I first started and wouldn’t let me pay him. So many awesome folks out there in the keto world. #GRATITUDE to all y’all.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #43

I had never thought of that. So, the thinner you, the more you have to restrict? I would have thought the opposite.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #44

God is acting very strangely, so St. Peter summons up the ghost of Sigmund Freud to examine him. Freud and God go into a room and talk for three days. When Freud finally leaves the room, St. Peter rushes up to him and asks, “Dr. Freud! What’s wrong? Do you have a diagnosis?” Freud strokes his beard and replies, “It’s a very serious case—he thinks he’s a neurosurgeon!”

(Ron D. Garrett) #45

:joy: you are correct :joy: and at 51 yo no less

(Steve) #46

We’re already restricting at a max of 20…I’m saying that if you’re larger you likely have a much higher “tipping point” that would flip you out of ketosis. I remember someone on here saying that they could have more than 100g and still stay in ketosis. Everyone’s metabolism is unique.

Me, I hadn’t planned on finding out where mine was until I had completed all of my health goals…but some upcoming extended travel may challenge that. :slight_smile:

(Jane) #47

You are rocking your 51 years!!! Gives my “young stuff” (3 years younger than me at age 56 hope of building some muscle at the gym!)

(Rob) #49

I’ll quit trying when I don’t have a pulse. There’s always hope. Nobody said it was gonna be easy. If it was easy, it wouldn’t be any fun !

(Allie) #50

@Janie I actually sent the link to Danny Vega in case he wants to challenge it :joy:

(Ron D. Garrett) #51

Go for it :joy: it can be done

(Omar) #53

Very interesting discussions.

I drove 600 km round trip so I had a chance to listen twice to the video.

What interested me
1-Dr Brett think hard core keto dieters can be exposed to loss of appetite I assume some of his patients may be). Actually I am there.
2-some people do not seem to be able to consume their corresponding calories due to the satiety derived by high fat diet. I am there.
3-If they roll into this roller coaster ( of appetite loss ), they will eventually lose muscle mass and lower their metabolism. Luckily I am not there and this is what I am trying to avoid after freaking from appetite loss.
4-He use interesting term calling the muscles “metabolic engine”. I am not sure why many specialist worn from muscle loss? Is such thing irreversible?
5-you still can burn fat after fat adaptation period even if you do not maintain hard core / classic keto diet.

I feel at cross roads. But what got my attention that he is describing my case.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #54

Hey, do what works for you. Keto may not be right for your body.

The loss of appetite is actually one of the attractions of keto for me, I like not being a slave to my stomach. And it’s not as though I need to get all my calories from what I eat; I still have quite a bit of fat I can live off.

As for losing muscle mass, it hasn’t happened for me yet, at a year and a half. But surely eating enough protein prevents that? In any case, I’ll deal with it if and when.

(Jane) #55

Everyone’s body and metabolism is different, but I haven’t seen too many here that have lost muscle to the point they noticed it or couldn’t maintain/get it back. If anything, the keto diet fueled them to exercise harder which will build back anything lost. And very obese NEED to lose some muscle along the way since they don’t need the same muscles to heft around 200 pounds as they do 300 pounds.

Omar - have you noticed muscle loss? Or just concerned because your appetite went away?

(Omar) #56

thanks @Janie
I appreciate your input.

no
not at all

I never felt so energetic since I was 6 years old

only what concerns me is Dr phinnie when he mentioned that on the third day of fasting will start losing muscle mass.

other than that I am perfectly healthy at 60 years.

thanks

#57

There is too much of a good thing, I personally lost too much appetite and got worried. I would do ADF and the eating day I would hardly make it to cover 800 cal. Then maybe it’s very ok, with the body fat feeding me, but I got scared of messing with my metabolism if I went on like that.
I am now having up to 100 g of carbs, and 50 g of proteins, at 16-18%of total calories. It took me out of ketosis and I gained 2kg of water weight, but Ill give it more time to see if it can work for me.

(Omar) #58

I understand you. It can be scary to lose appetite that way. I am maybe 7 kg overweight. I litterlly I could see the scale going down 300 grams everyday during the EF time.

So I stopped fasting upped my carbs to 50g and stayed on ketogenic diet.

Since then I got under stress and my IBS gotten worse and I think it does not feel like my body is producing ketons like before.

Thanks for your input as it feels good to have some one who have the same experience.

(Bunny) #59

I really like the description about eating sugar; once it is inside the vascular system it is like shards of glass scraping and bouncing against the veins and arterial walls…