Ketosis doesn't matter

(German Ketonian) #1

Very enlightning discussion on low carb versus ketosis. For me personally, this was very informative, so I’d thought I share this:

"Ketosis doesn't matter" & trying new protocols
(Empress of the Unexpected) #2

Thank you so much for sharing this!

(German Ketonian) #3

You’re very welcome

(Empress of the Unexpected) #4

I think a big takeaway from this, is what so many on the forums have always advised. Ketone levels vary, they fluctuate throughout the day. Give your body what it needs, and it will keep on fat burning, whether you are in ketosis or not. But note, it is advised to stick with the program strictly for at least three months, to get your body in the habit of burning fat. After the three months, there is more flexibility.

(Erin Macfarland ) #5

Ok this is a great discussion but right around minute 33 he talks about how the body always thinks it’s in a state of starvation on a low carb diet. That begs the question that if our bodies are made to use fat (and ketones) rather than glucose as a primary fuel source, why would it interpret that state as starvation?

(Alec) #6

I haven’t listened yet, but I don’t buy this. Everything I know in keto tells me that once we teach the body to burn fat, it loves burning fat (clean fuel). Why would the body consider itself in a state of starvation just because it is burning fat for fuel? Doesn’t make sense to me.

(Erin Macfarland ) #7

Yes exactly. By definition starvation is a high stress state, but he’s also saying burning fat is anti inflammatory, I really like his discussion but these two ideas don’t match up.

(Alec) #8

Is he qualified to know? I am not being funny, I don’t know him.

(Erin Macfarland ) #9

I believe he’s a doctor, and I think that he was trying to express something that didn’t quite come out right. Using FFAs and ketones as primary energy substrates is often said to mimick starvation without depriving your body of nutrients. I believe this is due to the low insulin state freeing up energy stores to use as fuel. So technically any type of diet that allows for access to stored body fat would be considered starvation. So I think he could have worded his argument differently to better demonstrate how the low insulin state that results from a low carb high fat diet mimicks the “positive” benefits of starvation (ie the ability to utilize stored body fat) while simultaneously providing essential nutrients and energy to all body systems.

(Alec) #10

I saw your mistake before you corrected it… beautiful, just think if you could use FFSs as a primary energy source? I would be the King of energy!!! :joy::rofl:

(Empress of the Unexpected) #11

My question is - what is wrong with filling up on healthy Omega-3 fats? I understand some saturated fats are needed. But why not an emphasis on olive oil, avocados, nuts, coconut oil, etc?

(German Ketonian) #12

For me the key points were:

  1. STOP CHASING KETONES, @Zimon
  2. Reconsider your animal-based ketogenic diet as those are non-healthy fats in general.
  3. Nuts are fine and considered healthy fats
  4. Low-GI carbs can be elevated a bit for me as a metabolically healthy individual

The only thing I wonder is how he reconciles the fact of relatively high Omega6-to-3 ratio in nuts with the fact that they are “good fats”. But generally, my tastebuds agree with him: I could live off green leafies, fish, nuts, avocados and olive oil and do fine. I would miss cheese and other dairy somewhat, but I could do without meat easily. But his inflammation comments applied to mess only if I got him correctly, so dairy should be fine if you can tolerate casein.

(Alec) #13

Did he cite any evidence in support of this?

(Allie) #14

He said saturated fats are bad fats (which we know is false as the body actually needs them) but encourages coconut oil… :thinking:

(Alec) #15

Oh dear, credibility down the toilet…

(Alec) #16

I listened to this and these guys just annoyed the living daylights out of me. I couldn’t finish it.

There was some sensible points made along with a whole load of pure crap. The interviewer was a pusher of exogenous ketones (seemingly mixed with protein powder). The Dr chap got a few things right about insulin, but it was buried amongst a whole load of tosh. He was very strong that eating red meat was inflammatory and bad. I would love him to provide the studies that back up that assertion.

As Richard would say, that’s 30 minutes of my life I won’t get back.

(Kirk) #17

Thanks for taking one for the team. I won’t waste my time listening to it.

(Allie) #18

I’m about halfway through it and will finish it later just because I don’t like unfinished business, but he seems to be saying that people will still lose fat on a low carb diet, but will feel like crap in the process - well even if that were true, why would you want to do something that makes you feel like crap as you’ll never stick at it?! And ALL animal fats are bad so should be avoided… sorry but, just no.

(Alec) #19

Allie
There must have been 20 points made that were just misleading or worse just wrong. But I just don’t have the motivation to list them. I prefer my summary. Brief glimpses of OK, mixed with a larger steaming pile of :poop:.

(Wendy) #20


I don’t know where he gets that. It may just be his opinion not based on any science that I am aware of.