Work friend, She asked me what I thought - I tell her -she disagrees. She wasn’t happy.
EDIT : SHE IS USING THEM FOR WEIGHT LOSS 
I don’t know anything about it, because I NEVER considered it.
Like wanting it, but without any work.
To each their own, firm believer in that.
However if you wanna reach a state of ketosis, I believe the only way to do it, is with reduction in carbohydrates via food. Not supplements.
If you’ve never used them why give an opinion? You can’t possibly have one.
Ketone’s are awesome. They give you the mental clarity and energy that you typically only get that first time your switch is flipped or after multi day fasts. The can totally wipe out keto flu for those that are new, they can wipe out appetites for those who can’t stop stuffing their face.
That’s true, but that’s a totally different argument. Using exogenous ketones for the benefits of them assuming they’re aware what they are and aren’t and being in ketosis from lack of carbs are two different things.
I know plenty of people that use exogenous ketones that don’t even eat keto. They’re an amazing energy source and nootropic.
If you are not keto-adapted, I’m not sure what the benefits of exogenous ketones will be, except for the benefit of enriching the manufacturer. I seem to recall there being a debate over whether ketone salts or esters are better, but I don’t remember which won out.
There are known benefits to using exogenous ketones in certain cases, especially in the case of patients with Alzheimer’s disease who refuse to change their diet, but it doesn’t seem wise to continue causing damage to the body, when a simple dietary change will help undo the damage. That said, there are people who prefer to continue in their bad habits and take a pill for that. Eating the proper human diet is not what they are after.
She asked because she assumed I do. She is using them for weight loss.
Not one study that validates they create the necessary levels that assist with weight loss. Actually just the opposite.
From what I’ve read.
The rest you mentioned ? Eh… I never used them never would. Don’t need em… I get everything I need by healthy conscious eating… She is using them to assist weight loss.
Ain’t no way she is going into ketosis to lose the way she needs too… Without altering her diet and carb intake,
That’s why she got mad. Shrug
Don’t ask if you don’t want the answer
I read some stuff on the benefits. She wants them for weight loss, I couldn’t disagree with her wanting them for that… if I tried.
I will edit my post to include
FOR WEIGHT LOSS.
I should of but didn’t think of it.
I never utilized them because everything I ever read was not really scientific.
You have some fantastic doctors who say one thing, another who says something diffrent.
I am a recovering addict, personally… I try to avoid putting anything like this in my body.
For those who do, I have zero issue.
To each their own.
Thanks Paul… Someone understood my post.
I needed to add something here.
You do know the amazing kudos you give to this product… Pushes weight loss. You do know that right? Which is why she spent a small fortune on them.
They should absolutely include that it DOESN’T assist in GREAT weight loss. The only way it could is appetite suppression. Which for the record, isn’t even validated.
Really need to address that with you.
That’s what I told her. And I stand by it 1000 percent.
Healthy clean eating is pretty much the only way to lose healthy weight. Some also incorporate exercise which is amazing too.
And that’s why I worded it the way I did… They won’t (directly) contribute to weight loss, however, for many the added energy and wiping out of appetite does help accomplish that for many. Sometimes the little edge they take off does the trick. When I’m cutting some fat I take an ECA stack, and the Ephederine wiping my appetite makes a very noticeable difference in that. As long as she knows what they do and what they don’t… who cares?
No that’s what you said. It’s insulting to my intelligence is all.
She spent a fortune that upset me more than her lack of tolerance for a way of life I feel very serious about for healthy living and longevity.
So I very much had a reason to comment to someone I care for.
She will get over it.
Absolutely. The necessary requirement for fat loss is a lower insulin level. The sufficient requirement is eating enough calories to keep the body out of famine mode. In famine mode, the body holds on to its store of fat, even when insulin is low. Eating lots of extra fat or taking supplemental ketones on a high-carb diet is not going to do the trick.
There are high-carb, low-fat diets that can cause weight loss and reverse diabetes (such as the Kempner rice diet), but they are apparently quite difficult to adhere to, for many people.
All that money! She can’t return them. Once the product leaves the store.
Ugh
She will sit with what I said to her. She will come around.
I told her it’s a totally new way of life. It’s bumpy and bruised and healthy is better than not bruised and obese and dead.
She will be ok.
Have to just try to eat as clean and healthy as one can.
That’s the most important thing. 
I never insulted your intelligence, and if I did, than you’re being hypersensitive. Believe me, if that’s what I wanted to do… you’d know it, I don’t do passive aggressive. How can you have a (valid) opinion on a product you’ve never used yourself? Seriously? That’s ridiculous. If somebody started the ol’ “Keto doesn’t work” or “keto is too restrictive” nonsense to you I’d bet you’d question if they even knew what it was or if they’ve tried it wouldn’t you?
Sure, you can… but your opinion is based on nothing. You’ve never used them. They could very well help her move forward with her goal, seems you’re the one being negative to her trying something just because you think they’re not needed.
I don’t even eat strict keto anymore and still always have them around, when I get snacky they can help kill my appetite which helps keep me in line, many people use them that way. Don’t assume everybody has to do everything the way you do for it to work.
Except: we evolved to have a lot of one or the other, not both at the same time. During most of human evolution carbs and resultant elevated glucose were rare events simply because the opportunity was not there. Maybe some nuts, berries a few weeks during summer or someone discovered a honey tree. But most of the year, our ancestors ate mostly fat and meat from necessity. So it was ketosis or not, with endogenous ketones and GNC-generated glucose. Not exogenous ketones or glucose. Ketoacidosis results from elevated glucose and ketones, usually from lack of insulin. But, taking exogenous ketones on SAD require careful monitoring of both glucose and ketone concentrations.
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Don’t assume everybody has to do everything the way you do for it to work.
I have to giggle. 
You were the one who commented on my post that some people just don’t want to work for it or something to that nature.
Regarding my complaint about not losing a quarter pound, and hating exercise.
You said that dude.
Kinda is a ten degree metaphor when you’re at the opposing end isn’t it.
Relax I’m just ribbing you.
Good stuff however I wouldn’t speak about it with her
I only spoke about what I knew for a fact.
She is new, and just asked knowing practice low carb (keto eh we’re not friends )and so that’s what it was regarding . The woman has zero idea about it herself.
She assumed it was a one-hit weight loss program and it certainly is not.
Only told her my opinion because she asked. Geez 
That’s fine, I can have my balls busted with the best of em’ but two things can be correct. My wife can’t stand exercise, I tell her all the time she’s not working as hard as she wants for her goals when she complains about it, which is true. But doesn’t mean I think everybody has to do everything the same either.