Keto weight gain


#1

How do you explain someone on keto keeping their carbs under 20 g 2000 cal per day or less and still gaining weight?

This is what I typically eat per day.

Two eggs three slices of bacon.
For lunch Bulletproof coffee.
Dinner grilled steak.

I don’t take medication of any kind so that’s not a factor.
I don’t snack so that’s out of the question.
I use a keto meter my ketones are always high. Average of 0.5

But every time I get on the scale heavier than the day before.

I know this is going to be a hard nut to crack so all comments are welcome.

Thank you in advance.


(Polly) #2

Hi @timebuster.

You do not say how tall you are or how heavy or how active. Do you have excess weight/fat to lose?

My guess when someone is sticking strictly to less than 20g carbs per day and not snacking that they are probably not eating enough. If you slow your metabolic rate by undereating consistently then you can be in ketosis and still gain weight. Try eating more at each meal and see if that gives you the kick required to start burning your own body fat, if of course, you have any spare to burn.


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #3

Maintaining carbs sub-20 grams per day consistently keeps you in ketosis. It says nothing about whether you will maintain, lose or gain ‘weight’ and/or fat. Energy balance is just as important on keto as with any other eating, just the fine details are different. So as noted by @Polly1 your weight, size, plus age, BMR, EE are important in relation to how much you’re eating in total. Whether or not you’re in ketosis, if you eat more than you need to maintain, you will gain. That’s how we evolved to survive the Pleistocene.

PS: I should add that it’s possible to lose fat and gain lean mass. The lean mass weighs more than fat per unit so you could increase overall weight and reduce overall size.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

There are a number of possibilities here. First of all, what type of weight are you gaining? Is it fat or lean mass? Although most people who embark on a ketogenic diet do so in order to lose “weight,” the diet is not a weight-loss diet, it is a weight-normalisation diet.

Firstly, I just need to point out that when we talk about “losing weight,” what we really mean is losing fat. Losing muscle and losing bone density are not good things, as I hope we can agree.

So one possibility is that your body feels a need to put on muscle or increase your bone density, and that would certainly throw off your scale reading. It is possible to add lean mass while simultaneously losing fat, as you can see. Bone and muscle are much denser than fat, of course, so another measure of progress might be how your clothes are fitting. If they feel looser, despite the increased poundage (or kilogrammage, as you prefer), then you are doing well, regardless of what your scale is telling you.

But in the event that your clothes are getting tighter, not looser, there are a few more things to try. For example, you might be more insulin-resistant than most people, so you might try cutting your carbohydrate intake even lower, to see if that helps. Eating more than a certain amount of carbohydrate in a day keeps insulin elevated, which prevents fat loss. The 20 g/day limit we propose on these forums is going to help almost everyone get into ketosis, but it is possible to be so insulin-resistant that even 20 g/day is too much. The good news is that insulin-resistance is reversible, so such a restriction of carb intake might not always be necessary. The other good news is that you might come to enjoy very low-car eating so much that you won’t want to increase your carb intake, even if you could.

Another thing to consider is whether you are eating enough. The metabolism adapts pretty quickly to whatever level of food we eat. If we skimp on calories, the metabolism slows down; if we eat a lot, the metabolism speeds up. (This is all within broad limits, of course.) On short rations, the body assumes there’s a famine going on, so it hangs onto its fat reserves, to get you safely through the hard times (the body will actually start to consume muscle before yielding up all of its fat, believe it or not). On abundant rations, the body starts to do all the things it wants, now that it has an ample budget, and can even start to waste energy. So the key to losing fat is, somewhat paradoxically, to give the body enough food for it to feel safe shedding its excess fat reserves.

Lastly, don’t fear fat. The principal hormone involved in causing the body to store and hold onto fat is insulin, which is greatly stimulated by carbohydrate in the diet. (This carbohydrate tends to get converted into fat and stored, by the way.) Protein has an effect on insulin, but the effect is a lot less when we eat very little carbohydrate (I’ll spare you the details, for now, because they are a bit complicated). Fat has almost no effect on insulin, so you can safely use as much as you want (within the broad limits I mentioned earlier) to satisfy your hunger. While insulin is necessary for us to be able to benefit from the food we eat (without it, we would starve to death), too much insulin is a Bad Thing and is to be avoided.


#5

Nothing even remotely hard about it, you’re eating more than your metabolism is allowing you to! At my worst my RMR tested at 1700! That’s for a 5’9" guy at then I think about 230lbs, lifting 5x week and cardio 2-3x week. We can slow them down bad! What you listed is a pretty small amount of food overall. Your ketone readings have zero meaning when it comes down to what your metabolism can burn in a day. Are you tracking or are you assuming on the 2k cals a day? I don’t see how you’re even getting there with that sample days eating.


(Nicolas) #7

Im on the Keto diet 1 month and 3 weeks, I think I got into optimal ketosis at the second or third week. I lost a lot of weight, but I assumed at the moment weight loss is not a linear progression.
Taking in consideration everything was nominal, I weight myself all weeks of this month with a measuring tape plus the scale, I measure my belly, my butt, the quad part of the leg and the chest.

I observed that 1 week I lost weight and the next week I gain weight when everything was the same. I always go to the bathroom (1 and 2) and weight myself only with my underwear. The thing is, I lost 2 cm of belly, 1 cm butt, gained 1 cm quads (Because I jog 15 times per month for 30 min at the burning zone) and lost 2 cm chest.

Weight loss is not a linear progression, maybe you ate a little bit more the day before weight or there is still processed food in your intestines, if you are pumping iron is obviously that.

Dont get mad, do what I do, weight yourself every week, for example, the saturdays after you wake up, after you do your necessities, in your underwear (no drink or eat), then use a measuring tape and measure all the areas you want (waist too).

Only with more information you can see how your body behaves.