Keto Under fire Again

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #1

And even Dr Thomas Seyfried gets some lol

Oh dear, here we go again.

(Todd Allen) #2

Creepy.

(Joey) #3

Seyfriend’s research is rather compelling. Having read much of it carefully in detail, it’s unclear to me how one can fault it. :man_shrugging:

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #4

I really try to NOT be a conspiracy theorist, but it’s getting hard. Seyfried knows about cancer treatment, devoted a lot of time to it. Not just one interview or newspaper article

(Joey) #5

Ha! I really try hard to BE a conspiracy theorist, but my better judgment keeps getting in the way. :wink:

(B Creighton) #6

" Steven Bartlett sharing harmful health misinformation in Diary of CEO podcast"
I find it ironic that mainstream medicine has been peddling misinformation for 60 friggin years, and still hasn’t given up… LOL. It is so very sad, when the best existing, credible studies have only shown the harm of things like their pushing seed oils… But Damn, 20 mil/yr from his podcast… And here I am posting for free… :heart_eyes:

(Ethan) #7

IMO, Dr Seyfried is excellent and I try to follow his work and show it to others.

But still there are people who get cancer and go the conventional route and get better.

I guess it comes down to intuition and trust, and I have the sense that I very much believe Dr. Seyfried.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #8

A lot of Seyfried’s work is with glioblastoma multifome, which is very aggressive and not easily treatable by conventional methods. The prognosis, even with treatment, is usually death within twelve months.

Some of the results Seyfried and others have shown are remarkable, with patients surviving for years after diagnosis. The medical profession may now be willing to allow a ketogenic diet as an adjuvant therapy to the standard of care, but not in place of the standard of care. Anyone who recommends keto alone as a primary cancer treatment is going face a lot of opposition.

Perhaps as Seyfried and his colleagues produce more data, someone will be willing to take the risk, especially if there is an adamant patient with a compelling reason that chemotherapy and radiation are both contra-indicated.

(Ethan) #9

Dr Seyfried mentions keto + anti-parasitics + hyperbaric. Anti-parasitics are meds like Ivermectin. Hyperbaric IMO can probably include Chlorine Dioxide which is easy. I have it here and drink a glass everyday.

In one of his more recent presentations he also talked about a glutamine blocker which is “pulsed”.

With keto + anti-parasitics + oxygen (hyperbaric or CDS) + pulsed glutamine blocker…it may even be that chemo is the true adjuvant therapy

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #10

I know what they’ll say, ‘more research required’ but it’s often quoted that naturally low carb peoples have a very low (or zero) cancer rate. Now whether that means it’s a treatment for those already with cancer … I’ll trust Dr Seyfried with that.

BJP article

(Bob M) #11

I think he believes that cancers can use (ferment?) l-glutamine, so you need to stop that too, which is where the glutamine blocker that is pulsed comes in. I think he’s said that timing is important, and the drugs he uses as anti-glutamine blockers, you can’t get without a prescription.

You can use keto, which will help certain cancers, but it’s not a cure. Someone here had breast cancer and used keto, and she still died of breast cancer (with chemo too).

(KM) #12

A PET scan will pick up radio-tagged glucose as it is sucked up like, well, like candy, by cancer cells. About 5% of cancers will not show up on a PET scan. They are not sugar-suckers and they are also not responsive to a ketogenic diet no matter how carb restrictive it is. It’s essential to work with the rest of the medical community when fighting cancer. You need to know what kind you’re dealing with, and ketogenic diet and hyperbaric oxygen therapy have been shown effective in limiting tumor growth and weakening cancer cells, but whether this can starve cancer to death is another story, and cancer that’s not starved to death comes back. It does appear to be a marvelous adjuvant therapy along with chemo or radiation to wipe out the weakened cancer and get rid of it for good.

Slight aside, this is why I get frustrated with people who pressure me to “cheat” keto. Moderation. A little won’t hurt. ENDLESSLY insisting that “being reasonable” is the adult, polite, modest thing to do. In the case of trying to starve cancer to death, that’s like comparing starving a person to death, vs. feeding them their favorite meal, but only once a week. Not The Same Thing At All, it doesn’t work like that, you just get the equivalent of skinny malnourished cancer cells waiting for their next meal.

#13

Sounds to me like a bunch of pot stirring in the article without a lot of in-depth research.

@kib1 most of my friends really do not care what I eat unless it changes where we go for lunch and even then they are usually respectful.

Not sure if it is the place I am right now but I do cheat when I go out to dinner which is on average on once every week or two more or less. I do not have cancer as far as I know. If I did I probably would be stricter with keto. I am finding that the occasional cheats help me stay on track or at least not feel deprived and I can limit it to just that meal. There was a time where it would set off a cascade that would result in days of cheating but does not seem to anymore

I got back from a work trip where I had dinner with old friends. I did cheat at dinner but not to the extent I normally do (took some Berberine before dinner which is something I have started doing). Was very proud that I limited it to some potatoes, a flatbread thing that was mostly protein and the pie surrounding my meat entree. I was too stuffed to have more than a bite of dessert and did not find it that appealing. Either the dessert was not that good (apples were not sweet in the pie) or I was too full. I am normally a member of the clean plate club and cannot see waste.

The trip involved packing up a location with a lot of luggage schleping that did not have wheels, and walking and running up and down stairs, so I think I burned off everything but who knows since you cannot outrun a bad diet and I believe that

(KM) #14

I was diagnosed a few years ago with a neoplasia, a cancer precursor, in my colon. I had it surgically removed but decided to do therapeutic levels of keto for a while in the hope that I could starve out any lurking cancer cells. During this period, I felt that cheating and refeeding those lurking cells with glucose would have negated the whole point.

As far as I know I am cancer free. And I do occasionally cheat now, this is a hard diet to be on forever. I’m pleased to discover that a lot of cheat carbs just aren’t as awesome as I thought they’d be, but once in awhile …

#15

I remember his interviews Dr Thomas Seyfried’s bottom line was if your on Cancer treatment keep on it. My oncologist had not problem with me on My Ketogenic diet. Certain supplements I stopped while having Chemo other than that its went well.

#16

Thank you for sharing your experience. I am surprised that your friends would encourage you to deviate from a therapeutic regime. I completely agree with your methods.

We lost a family member (in law) to cancer. It was a couple of years before I discovered keto or really understood it since I did do Atkins in the 80s but could not stick to it. My one sadness was that I could not tell her to do it before she lost her battle

#17

Good, the more nonsense like this is what drove Keto to fad status last time. People (in this regard) are smart. Most have realized when stuff it attacked, espeically by the mainstream medical people and the gov’t, and REALLY when the favorite trigger word of “misinformation” comes out, which clearly in todays world simply means they disagree, people do exactly what they’re told not to.

(KM) #18

They were well-meaning. They just couldn’t get past the idea that love and comfort equals cookies and ice cream, that I was somehow depriving myself in my hour of need. Happily I didn’t lose any friends over it.